Recently I was visiting with people about why commercial support is needed
for some people using R.  One person observed:

With commercial support, you have a person that you can call with questions
and yell at.
With R mailing lists, you can ask questions and have people yell at YOU.

The atmosphere of the R-help and R-devel mailing lists is infamous.  Is this
a good reputation to have?  I'm doubtful that it is.

So, I support Spencer's suggestion for more civility.

Kevin Wright


On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Spencer Graves <
spencer.gra...@structuremonitoring.com> wrote:

>  What do you think about adding a "No RTFM" policy to the R mailing lists?
> Per, "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM":
>
>
> The Ubuntu Forums and LinuxQuestions.org, for instance, have instituted "no
> RTFM" policies to promote a welcoming atmosphere.[8][9].
>
> RTFM [and] "Go look on google" are two inappropriate responses to a
> question. If you don't know the answer or don't wish to help, please say
> nothing instead of brushing off someone's question. Politely showing someone
> how you searched or obtained the answer to a question is acceptable, even
> encouraged.
> ...
>
> If you wish to remind a user to use search tools or other resources when
> they have asked a question you feel is basic or common, please be very
> polite. Any replies for help that contain language disrespectful towards the
> user asking the question, i.e. "STFU" or "RTFM" are unacceptable and will
> not be tolerated. —Ubuntu Forums
>
>
> Gavin Simpson and I recently provided examples answering a question from
> "r.ookie" that had previously elicited responses, ""You want us to read the
> help page to you?" and "It yet again appears that you are asking us to read
> the help pages for you."
>
>
> I can appreciate the sentiment in fortunes('rtfm'). In this case, however,
> "r.ookie" had RTFM (and said so), but evidently the manual was not
> sufficiently clear.
>
>
> Best Wishes,
> Spencer Graves
>
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