On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Matt Sergeant wrote:

> On 3 Jun 2004, at 00:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >     My personal philosophy is that spam control should not be
> > dependent on anyone else. That means no dnsbl lists at all. It also
> > means
> > that whatever I do, I have to guarantee that legit email can get
> > through.
> > On top of that, it also means that I don't approve of SPF, DCC,
> > greylisting, Domain Keys, and everything else that penalizes legitimate
> > users.
>
> How does SPF or DK penalize the legit users? My domain, my policies.
> It's that simple.

        If it is something that's enforced to allow email to get through,
it means all legitimate senders must now conform. (Obviously, it depends
on how it is implemented, but I'm sure the goal is to eventually turn it
on such that if it ain't defined, it ain't getting through. I'm placing no
such restrictions on legitimate emailers.)

        Yes, it is your domain and your policies. If your policy was that
anyone sending email to your domain had to pay $100 for each email, you'd
have very little legitimate incoming email. It might reduce spam (to be so
lucky!), but it will more likely result in "false positives" - the legit
senders may (not necessarily 'will') lose.

        AOL dumps tons of legit email every day. It's their domain and
their policy. Even sourceforge does something stupid - if you want to
subscribe to a list, post, etc, it checks your sender domain's postmaster
address; if it gets a 5?? error, it ASSUMES that the account doesn't exist
and won't process your email. Their domains, their policies - may stop
some spam, but also stops the good stuff. If you stop the good stuff, just
how valuable is your policy?

        Anyway, I hope we can end this before it blows up. Us "spam
fighters" often have differing opinions, philosophies, etc. I just happen
to choose mine so that as few innocent people as possible are
inconvenienced or otherwise shut out. I don't even see (many?) commercial
products like that. I accept what other people are doing, and if it works
for them, great.

-- 
Roger Walker
"HIS Pain - OUR Gain"

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