Ditto. $20 for a basic server, $5 for backup.
I might have chosen a smaller server (I don't have as many users as
Gary) but someone here observed -- and I have found -- that ClamAV tends
to crash periodically if you have less than about 4GB. The 4GB Linode is
therefore probably the minimum practical size for qmailtoaster.
I've (so far) found Linode to be very solid and professional. Digital
Ocean is another good one, with prices very similar to Linode's. (In my
brief experimentation with DO, I felt Digital Ocean offered a slightly
more polished experience, but Linode _just_ edged them out in
price/performance. It's really a coin-flip, though). Vultr is another
similar service.
I think you can't go far wrong with Linode or Digital Ocean, but I'd
stay away from the really cheap VM hosting services that are springing
up like mushrooms all over the place. I rented some very cheap VMs for
experimentation from several different hosting companies and all the
hosting companies went out of business within three days of each other:
either they were all alternate identities for the same business, or they
were all resellers of one larger company that got hit by an increase in
the CPanel license fee.
Angus
Gary Bowling wrote on 12/11/20 12:13 PM:
I'm almost embarrassed to say that I'm running mine on a $25/month
server. I have about 1000 users over 7 domains.
Here's a price list from Linode, but you can also customize it.
https://www.linode.com/pricing/
gary
On 12/11/2020 10:21 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
What's the cost?
On 12/11/2020 8:14 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:
Yes, they give you an OS, with the amount of MEM/disk/processors/etc
that you configure and purchase. Once you get that, you can log in
with SSH and set up anything you like. There is also a console app
from your account in case you have trouble getting in via SSH.
It's really a nice service and I've been very happy with it. Since
your machine sits on top of a big architecture you never have to
worry about hardware failures, hardware upgrades, etc. You can add
storage, RAM, processors, etc to an existing machine at any time.
I was skeptical at first of running email on a virtual, but I've
been using mine for about 3 years now and it's really been a good
service. I would never go back to a real machine, all the hardware
headaches are gone.
gary
On 12/11/2020 10:01 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
Do they allow you to control the repos from which you update? If so
there should not be problem if Rocky is done by then.
On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:
One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine
at Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.
These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors,
but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in
Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu,
and OpenSUSE. To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and
specs. It's built for you in their data center, then you log in
and configure/install what you want.
So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many
of the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.
It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved
forward.
gary
On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
On another note: IBM bought/acquired
<https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-closes-landmark-acquisition-red-hat-34-billion-defines-open-hybrid-cloud-future>
Red Hat.
On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/
/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten
QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence
MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream'
is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's
supposed to be an intermediate environment between Fedora and
RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from
downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is
short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community
Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a
cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've
heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years
and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is
used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.
/
/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms,
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
/
/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping
the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the
problems, if there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I
guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all
of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the
Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me
anymore.
/
/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the
ability, if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary
installs, to make changes on the fly without having to wait for
packages from the repo./
/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat
half-heartedly, on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If
anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./
/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like
writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.
/
/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's,
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on
the website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back
to work for me...
/
/Eric B.
/
On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
Hi all,
Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.
best wishes
Tony White
On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:
Debian!
-- unai
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for
Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.
-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000
On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre <an...@pobox.com>
wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?
(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)
I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but
having just painfully built a working toaster on top of
CentOS 8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the
proposed changes.
Comments?
Angus
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