----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Hotmail, CNAME lookup failure, zone transfer...WTF?



> Snort is lying. tcpdump is being misunderstood* by someone who doesn't
> understand the DNS protocol -- and who is being rude to someone who is
trying
> to help as a result.

It was not my intention to be rude. If I were - I am sorry.

> I'm sure it does too. Connections on port 53/TCP _do not_ have to be
> zone transfer requests. RTFM, RFC 1035. Sounds like your qmail might
> require the big-dns patch.** You should be able to find it on the qmail
> home page.

This is a big lesson for me. You are 100% right. I thought DNS queries
always go as UDP packets :)

>
> ** Odd, though, as my queries for hotmail MX records show 504 bytes,
> inside the limit for UDP....They seem to have intentionally stayed
> inside this limit, on purpose. Could we see the results of (both or
> either):
>
> dig mx hotmail.com @ns1.hotmail.com
> dnsq mx hotmail.com ns1.hotmail.com

This is a different story. Both dig and dnsq show 504 bytes. I attach a full
output.
Thanks,

Marek
; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> mx hotmail.com @ns1.hotmail.com
; (1 server found)
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 12, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 8
;; QUERY SECTION:
;;      hotmail.com, type = MX, class = IN

;; ANSWER SECTION:
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc3.law13.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc4.law13.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc5.law13.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc6.law13.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc4.law5.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc5.law5.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc6.law5.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc7.law5.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc1.law5.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc2.law5.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc1.law13.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN MX        10 mc2.law13.hotmail.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
hotmail.com.            1H IN NS        ns1.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN NS        ns2.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN NS        ns3.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN NS        ns4.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            1H IN NS        ns1.jsnet.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
mc3.law13.hotmail.com.  6m40s IN A      64.4.49.135
mc4.law13.hotmail.com.  6m40s IN A      64.4.49.199
mc5.law13.hotmail.com.  6m40s IN A      64.4.50.7
mc6.law13.hotmail.com.  6m40s IN A      64.4.50.71
mc4.law5.hotmail.com.   6m40s IN A      64.4.56.135
mc5.law5.hotmail.com.   6m40s IN A      64.4.56.199
mc6.law5.hotmail.com.   6m40s IN A      64.4.55.7
mc7.law5.hotmail.com.   6m40s IN A      64.4.42.7

;; Total query time: 822 msec
;; FROM: blackhole to SERVER: ns1.hotmail.com  216.200.206.140
;; WHEN: Thu Jul  5 18:50:28 2001
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 29  rcvd: 504

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

15 hotmail.com:
504 bytes, 1+12+5+8 records, response, authoritative, noerror
query: 15 hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc3.law13.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc4.law13.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc5.law13.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc6.law13.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc4.law5.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc5.law5.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc6.law5.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc7.law5.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc1.law5.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc2.law5.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc1.law13.hotmail.com
answer: hotmail.com 3600 MX 10 mc2.law13.hotmail.com
authority: hotmail.com 3600 NS ns1.hotmail.com
authority: hotmail.com 3600 NS ns2.hotmail.com
authority: hotmail.com 3600 NS ns3.hotmail.com
authority: hotmail.com 3600 NS ns4.hotmail.com
authority: hotmail.com 3600 NS ns1.jsnet.com
additional: mc3.law13.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.49.135
additional: mc4.law13.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.49.199
additional: mc5.law13.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.50.7
additional: mc6.law13.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.50.71
additional: mc4.law5.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.56.135
additional: mc5.law5.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.56.199
additional: mc6.law5.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.55.7
additional: mc7.law5.hotmail.com 400 A 64.4.42.7

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