qmail Digest 20 Apr 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 977

Topics (messages 40355 through 40401):

how to get anonymous emails
        40355 by: Thomas McLaughlin
        40366 by: Dave Sill

Re: qmail deleting Maildir/cur directory (fwd)
        40356 by: Len Budney
        40369 by: Ian Shaughnessy
        40372 by: Timothy L. Mayo
        40386 by: Ian Shaughnessy

Re: backup mail server
        40357 by: Dave Sill

Re: Someone else brought it up, and i noticed mine wasnt working :)
        40358 by: Dave Sill
        40360 by: Dave Sill

Re: pop 110 / daemontools / tcpserver / MySQL
        40359 by: Dave Sill

virutual domains and Received: entry in the header
        40361 by: Aaron Held

Convert to Maildir
        40362 by: Marcos dos santos Costa
        40363 by: Marcos dos santos Costa
        40365 by: Dave Sill

Re: why can't I do this?
        40364 by: William E. Baxter

Re: pop daemontool
        40367 by: Dave Sill

Re: Unable to receive outside email
        40368 by: Dave Sill

Internet mail
        40370 by: R.Ilker Gokhan

Cannot send e-mail to the domain
        40371 by: denpetrov.home.com
        40382 by: denis.kantora.com
        40383 by: bigkapusta.kapusta.com
        40390 by: Bob Rogers

Re: postoffice migration question
        40373 by: Andre Oppermann

suse and qmail
        40374 by: Mate Wierdl
        40376 by: Charles Werbick
        40391 by: Rogerio Brito
        40392 by: Russell Nelson

can receive no transmit
        40375 by: Les Higger
        40377 by: Tim Hunter
        40378 by: Nelson, Chris (USITG)
        40379 by: Les Higger
        40380 by: Les Higger
        40384 by: Chris Johnson
        40387 by: Les Higger

Help w/ Redirect incoming emails
        40381 by: ForeverKate.com
        40385 by: Ronny Haryanto

qmail + Redhat6.2 + emacs rmail - outgoing messages
        40388 by: Erich
        40389 by: Bob Rogers
        40393 by: Erich

Qmail 1.03
        40394 by: Bob Ross
        40395 by: David Dyer-Bennet

opinion on my proposed setup!
        40396 by: Madhav
        40398 by: Charles Werbick
        40399 by: Madhav
        40401 by: John White

Re:Cannot send e-mail to the domain
        40397 by: denpetrov.home.com

delete messages in queue
        40400 by: Madhav

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hi, I am new to this list and may be asking a trivial question.
I have searched the mailing list archives and the FAQ but could not
find anything appropriate.

We are running qmail on RH linux 5.1 with win94 and MS outlook 98.
I wish to set up a local email address e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
where users can send anonymous emails which will be read by a few senior
members of staff. I can easily set up an account on a win95 PC which has the
name "anonymous", but the email can still be traced by looking at the
headers
e.g.
====================================
Return-Path: <anonymous>
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail 17592 invoked by uid 669); 18 Apr 2000 16:13:02 -0000
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail 17588 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 16:13:01 -0000
Received: from softdnserror (HELO pc-202) (192.9.200.135)
  by softdnserror with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 16:13:01 -0000
From: <anonymous>
To: "suggestions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test3
======================================

so how do i get rid of the "HELO pc-202 (ip address)" part ?

I tried a putting

|grep -v HELO >>Mailfile

into the .qmail file but did not work.



Tam McLaughlin :  Scottish Legal Life Assurance Society
work:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
home:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"There are some fires you can't put out", Bono


winmail.dat





<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I wish to set up a local email address e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>where users can send anonymous emails which will be read by a few senior
>members of staff.

You could use 822body from William Baxter's qtools package to append
only the message bodies to a file, or to contruct a new mail message.

See:

  http://www.superscript.com/qtools/intro.html

-Dave




Ian Shaughnessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All I know is when I checked my mail this morning it was all there,
> but when I checked it this afternoon it wasnt.  Quite confusing...

Granted. At least, then, tell us what mail client you use, what email
address your mail is delivered to, and send us a copy of the relevant
.qmail file. If you use POP or IMAP, then tell us what server you get
your mail from, so we can see if it's running known buggy software.

Mysteries remain mysteries for lack of data.

> ...and like I said, the log files provided no help what so ever.
> They all just read like "blah blah mail message delivered successfuly"

That's because qmail does not delete directories, period. Well, maybe
``doesn't'' isn't the right word; it ``can't'' delete directories,
period. Just look at the qmail source, with ``grep rmdir *'' and see for
yourself.

The moral: qmail IS NOT deleting your Maildir/cur directory. Folks
here already know that for sure, so your subject line is being ignored
(and might get you flamed if you keep saying it). Folks _might_ be
willing to help you figure out what's actually happening, though. Give
all the helpful information you can.

Len.

--
Frugal Tip #27:
Embezzle.




Actually I had stated which mua's i used, Pine, and occasionally
Netscape Messenger.  The reason why I am suspicious of messenger is
because it was the last mua i used prior to my directory being cleared. 
However, messenger is configured to leave messages on the server, and
only delete remote messages if the message is deleted locally. 
Messenger still has my database of email, and when I last used it before
my cur directory disappeared I had just downloaded my latest 3 or
messages.  While I am suspicious of messenger for that reason... kind of
like with qmail, messenger does not do that when it's told not to (well,
its not supposed to).  Either way its an error, either in qmail or
messenger, and I am trying to determine which.  I doubt pine, as I use
pine everyday and I only seem to see this problem when I use messenger
(which, like i said before, is only occasionally).  Anyways, here is
some more specific information:

netscape messenger 4.51
Pine 4.04-1  (patched for Maildir)
qmail 1.03

Contents of .qmail file:
./Maildir/

email address:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

When I use messenger, it's POP, and it's  (obviously) mail.binxdsign.com

In response to qmail can't delete directories.. sure, i realize that.  I
guess I was incorrect in saying the directory was deleted; every file in
it was.  Qmail can do this im sure, as can messenger, pine, any other
mua.  Like i said before, there is a bug somewhere here, and whether its
in qmail or one of my mua's im not sure, but any help you could provide
would be very helpful.

Any ideas?


// Ian Shaughnessy
// [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Len Budney wrote:
> 
> Ian Shaughnessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > All I know is when I checked my mail this morning it was all there,
> > but when I checked it this afternoon it wasnt.  Quite confusing...
> 
> Granted. At least, then, tell us what mail client you use, what email
> address your mail is delivered to, and send us a copy of the relevant
> .qmail file. If you use POP or IMAP, then tell us what server you get
> your mail from, so we can see if it's running known buggy software.
> 
> Mysteries remain mysteries for lack of data.
> 
> > ...and like I said, the log files provided no help what so ever.
> > They all just read like "blah blah mail message delivered successfuly"
> 
> That's because qmail does not delete directories, period. Well, maybe
> ``doesn't'' isn't the right word; it ``can't'' delete directories,
> period. Just look at the qmail source, with ``grep rmdir *'' and see for
> yourself.
> 
> The moral: qmail IS NOT deleting your Maildir/cur directory. Folks
> here already know that for sure, so your subject line is being ignored
> (and might get you flamed if you keep saying it). Folks _might_ be
> willing to help you figure out what's actually happening, though. Give
> all the helpful information you can.
> 
> Len.
> 
> --
> Frugal Tip #27:
> Embezzle.




qmail does not, never has and never will touch the contents of cur.  The
POP3 server and IMAP server do and will delete the contents when the
client instructs them to.

>From your description, my guess is that Messenger is the culprit.  Try
changing and then resetting the leave on server option and test it again
in both states as you change it.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Ian Shaughnessy wrote:

> Actually I had stated which mua's i used, Pine, and occasionally
> Netscape Messenger.  The reason why I am suspicious of messenger is
> because it was the last mua i used prior to my directory being cleared. 
> However, messenger is configured to leave messages on the server, and
> only delete remote messages if the message is deleted locally. 
> Messenger still has my database of email, and when I last used it before
> my cur directory disappeared I had just downloaded my latest 3 or
> messages.  While I am suspicious of messenger for that reason... kind of
> like with qmail, messenger does not do that when it's told not to (well,
> its not supposed to).  Either way its an error, either in qmail or
> messenger, and I am trying to determine which.  I doubt pine, as I use
> pine everyday and I only seem to see this problem when I use messenger
> (which, like i said before, is only occasionally).  Anyways, here is
> some more specific information:
> 
> netscape messenger 4.51
> Pine 4.04-1  (patched for Maildir)
> qmail 1.03
> 
> Contents of .qmail file:
> ./Maildir/
> 
> email address:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> When I use messenger, it's POP, and it's  (obviously) mail.binxdsign.com
> 
> In response to qmail can't delete directories.. sure, i realize that.  I
> guess I was incorrect in saying the directory was deleted; every file in
> it was.  Qmail can do this im sure, as can messenger, pine, any other
> mua.  Like i said before, there is a bug somewhere here, and whether its
> in qmail or one of my mua's im not sure, but any help you could provide
> would be very helpful.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> // Ian Shaughnessy
> // [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Len Budney wrote:
> > 
> > Ian Shaughnessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > All I know is when I checked my mail this morning it was all there,
> > > but when I checked it this afternoon it wasnt.  Quite confusing...
> > 
> > Granted. At least, then, tell us what mail client you use, what email
> > address your mail is delivered to, and send us a copy of the relevant
> > .qmail file. If you use POP or IMAP, then tell us what server you get
> > your mail from, so we can see if it's running known buggy software.
> > 
> > Mysteries remain mysteries for lack of data.
> > 
> > > ...and like I said, the log files provided no help what so ever.
> > > They all just read like "blah blah mail message delivered successfuly"
> > 
> > That's because qmail does not delete directories, period. Well, maybe
> > ``doesn't'' isn't the right word; it ``can't'' delete directories,
> > period. Just look at the qmail source, with ``grep rmdir *'' and see for
> > yourself.
> > 
> > The moral: qmail IS NOT deleting your Maildir/cur directory. Folks
> > here already know that for sure, so your subject line is being ignored
> > (and might get you flamed if you keep saying it). Folks _might_ be
> > willing to help you figure out what's actually happening, though. Give
> > all the helpful information you can.
> > 
> > Len.
> > 
> > --
> > Frugal Tip #27:
> > Embezzle.
> 

---------------------------------
Timothy L. Mayo                         mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Senior Systems Administrator
localconnect(sm)
http://www.localconnect.net/

The National Business Network Inc.      http://www.nb.net/
One Monroeville Center, Suite 850
Monroeville, PA  15146
(412) 810-8888 Phone
(412) 810-8886 Fax





Actually I have tried that, but unfortunatly messenger is being sporadic
as to when it decides to suddenly clear the entire directory.  After that
happed, i tried to replicate it in messenger (with a few emails i had sent
to myself in Maildir/cur), but it wasnt acting like it had before.  A
friend suggested to me that maybe pine is set (somehow) to clear all
messages after, say a certain time period or certain number of emails
reached.  Granted this is absolutly not the list for that, (and in fact i
should take this to a different list now that its basically established
that it is not qmail's fault), but does anyone know if pine can be set to
do that?  Or in that case if messenger can?  Thanks again for all of the
help.


// Ian Shaughnessy
// [EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Timothy L. Mayo wrote:

> qmail does not, never has and never will touch the contents of cur.  The
> POP3 server and IMAP server do and will delete the contents when the
> client instructs them to.
> 
> From your description, my guess is that Messenger is the culprit.  Try
> changing and then resetting the leave on server option and test it again
> in both states as you change it.
> 
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Ian Shaughnessy wrote:
> 
> > Actually I had stated which mua's i used, Pine, and occasionally
> > Netscape Messenger.  The reason why I am suspicious of messenger is
> > because it was the last mua i used prior to my directory being cleared. 
> > However, messenger is configured to leave messages on the server, and
> > only delete remote messages if the message is deleted locally. 
> > Messenger still has my database of email, and when I last used it before
> > my cur directory disappeared I had just downloaded my latest 3 or
> > messages.  While I am suspicious of messenger for that reason... kind of
> > like with qmail, messenger does not do that when it's told not to (well,
> > its not supposed to).  Either way its an error, either in qmail or
> > messenger, and I am trying to determine which.  I doubt pine, as I use
> > pine everyday and I only seem to see this problem when I use messenger
> > (which, like i said before, is only occasionally).  Anyways, here is
> > some more specific information:
> > 
> > netscape messenger 4.51
> > Pine 4.04-1  (patched for Maildir)
> > qmail 1.03
> > 
> > Contents of .qmail file:
> > ./Maildir/
> > 
> > email address:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > When I use messenger, it's POP, and it's  (obviously) mail.binxdsign.com
> > 
> > In response to qmail can't delete directories.. sure, i realize that.  I
> > guess I was incorrect in saying the directory was deleted; every file in
> > it was.  Qmail can do this im sure, as can messenger, pine, any other
> > mua.  Like i said before, there is a bug somewhere here, and whether its
> > in qmail or one of my mua's im not sure, but any help you could provide
> > would be very helpful.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > 
> > // Ian Shaughnessy
> > // [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Len Budney wrote:
> > > 
> > > Ian Shaughnessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All I know is when I checked my mail this morning it was all there,
> > > > but when I checked it this afternoon it wasnt.  Quite confusing...
> > > 
> > > Granted. At least, then, tell us what mail client you use, what email
> > > address your mail is delivered to, and send us a copy of the relevant
> > > .qmail file. If you use POP or IMAP, then tell us what server you get
> > > your mail from, so we can see if it's running known buggy software.
> > > 
> > > Mysteries remain mysteries for lack of data.
> > > 
> > > > ...and like I said, the log files provided no help what so ever.
> > > > They all just read like "blah blah mail message delivered successfuly"
> > > 
> > > That's because qmail does not delete directories, period. Well, maybe
> > > ``doesn't'' isn't the right word; it ``can't'' delete directories,
> > > period. Just look at the qmail source, with ``grep rmdir *'' and see for
> > > yourself.
> > > 
> > > The moral: qmail IS NOT deleting your Maildir/cur directory. Folks
> > > here already know that for sure, so your subject line is being ignored
> > > (and might get you flamed if you keep saying it). Folks _might_ be
> > > willing to help you figure out what's actually happening, though. Give
> > > all the helpful information you can.
> > > 
> > > Len.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Frugal Tip #27:
> > > Embezzle.
> > 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Timothy L. Mayo                               mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Senior Systems Administrator
> localconnect(sm)
> http://www.localconnect.net/
> 
> The National Business Network Inc.    http://www.nb.net/
> One Monroeville Center, Suite 850
> Monroeville, PA  15146
> (412) 810-8888 Phone
> (412) 810-8886 Fax
> 
> 





Bob Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>But not always.  My ISP (which shall remain nameless -- ;-) bounced an
>email I sent myself from work after trying to deliver it for less than
>an hour.  To add insult to injury, the only reason they couldn't deliver
>it was because of their own internal outage -- an outage that lasted
>five hours.  So I am considering an alternate MX myself.  (Yes, I know;
>a better solution would be to get another ISP.)

Another solution is to run your own mailhub pointed to by your own
domain name. E.g., I use sill.dyndns.org, which points to my old 60
MHz Pentium running qmail. I don't use my ISP's mailhub at all. As an
added benefit, I get to manage the @sill.dyndns.org namespace,
including full use of qmail's extension addresses, and an unlimited
number of mailboxes.

-Dave




John Gonzalez/netMDC admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>:/var/qmail/alias$ cat .qmail*
>./Mailbox/
>./Mailbox/
>./Mailbox/

The trailing slash means maildir-format. Try:

 ./Mailbox

if you want to use an mbox called Mailbox, or

 ./Maildir

if you want to use a maildir called Maildir.

-Dave




>The trailing slash means maildir-format. Try:
>
> ./Mailbox
>
>if you want to use an mbox called Mailbox, or
>
> ./Maildir

That should be:

 ./Maildir/

of course.

-Dave




John Gonzalez/netMDC admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>the POP service shouldnt be run under supervise. It is started on a PER
>connection basis.

The POP service is just like the SMTP service, and works perfectly
with tcpserver and supervise. Just clone the supervise/qmail-smtpd
directory, rename it qmail-pop3d, and modify the run scripts as
necessary.

-Dave




I am using vpopmail and have a series of virutal domains tied to the same IP
address.

Everything works great except:
one user has a perl app that generates and sends e-mails to his customers.
When I look at the header file of the e-mails after they are recieved they
showa different virtual domain in the Received: section of the header.  The
e-mails show the the message as beign recieved from the workstation running
perl by virutaldomain1.com and then qmail sends it out with its 'me' domain
(Which is OK but not great)

Any insight would help.

Thanks,
-Aaron Held
http://www.MetroNY.com/





Friends,

Yesterday, I brought a question about Maildir, but I don�t understand the answer.
Well, I will make this question again. 

How I do for to convert the sendmail (your mailbox, if this is your name) for the 
qmail Maildir? I have more than 100 users in my college and I want to convert this 
just once.

Thanks
----------------------------------------------
Frederiko Costa
Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
Nacional High School - http://www.nacional.br
---------------------------------------------- 




Friends,

Yesterday, I brought a question about Maildir, but I don�t understand the answer.
Well, I will make this question again. 

How I do for to convert the sendmail (your mailbox, if this is your name) for the 
qmail Maildir? I have more than 100 users in my college and I want to convert this 
just once.

Thanks
----------------------------------------------
Frederiko Costa
Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
Nacional High School - http://www.nacional.br
---------------------------------------------- 




Marcos dos santos Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>How I do for to convert the sendmail (your mailbox, if this is your
>name) for the qmail Maildir? I have more than 100 users in my college
>and I want to convert this just once.

See:

http://www.qmail.org/convert-and-create

-Dave




On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:31:16AM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> On Apr 19 2000, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > in .qmail-default:
> > 
> > /home/user/$EXT/Maildir/
> 
>       Well, you could use something like:
> 
>       | someprogram /home/user/"$EXT"/Maildir/


Using qtools:

| tomaildir /home/user/"$EXT"/Maildir


See

http://www.superscript.com/qtools/intro.html

for more information.

Regards,
W.




"Mike Alexander Sauvain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>./run < in services of deamtools
>exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \
>> tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup host.name.gov \
>> /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir &
>
>works, but how i can generate any ouput ?

Add "-v" to the tcpserver options. (You probably don't want that & at
the end of the line.) Also, you might want to add "2>&1" to the end so 
you can log stderr as well as stdout.

-Dave




Ben Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I am unable to receive mail from outside of the local machine.  Internal
>works fine, any suggestions.
>
>Log shows: 
>@4000000038fcda11227c25dc delivery 1182: deferral:
>Unable_to_chdir_to_maildir._(
>#4.2.1)/
>@4000000038fcda11227c54bc status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
>@4000000038fcda2e21ebd0a4 starting delivery 1183: msg 226713 to local
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

This shows a local delivery failing. There's no difference between a
local delivery that originated locally, and one that originated
remotely. Did both tests use the same "user"?

If you provide *complete*, *unedited* logs of a successful and
unsucessful delivery we might be able to help.

-Dave




Title: Internet mail

Hi to all,

I have a mail system that is MS Exchange server 5.5 at the local sites. I 'm using INC (Internet mail connector) on Exchange server for internet mail. . I'm using NT4.0 on local and remote sites. I 've wanted to use Qmail on the remote sides so I 've installed qmail1.03 (without any patch) to use on remote sites to posting and getting mail with the local sites via SMTP and POP3 protocol. Any user on the remote site can posting mail to any user on the local sites or getting.  But remote site's user can't send any mail to the internet. In the same way they can't get any mail. I have MX entry for MS Exchange on DNS. I've scan FAQ but I couldn't find any information about this.

How can I do?

Thanks.

Ilker G.
Project Leader
Istanbul/Turkey





I am not sure what is going on I can not send e-mail to my work server which is running exchange and it is only server that I cannot send e-mail as far as I can tell. message that I get:
    Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gss.chernobyl.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Connected to 216.133.8.9 but connection died. (#4.4.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
In addition qmail is sitting behind firewall with one static route to the firewall.
May be it just timing out? Once it went through and that is it.
Thankyou for your help
Denis

 




I am not sure what is going on I can not send e-mail to my work server which is running exchange and it is only server that I cannot send e-mail as far as I can tell. message that I get:
    Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gss.chernobyl.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Connected to 216.133.8.9 but connection died. (#4.4.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
In addition qmail is sitting behind firewall with one static route to the firewall.
May be it just timing out? Once it went through and that is it.
Thankyou for your help
Denis

 




I am not sure what is going on I can not send e-mail to my work server which is running exchange and it is only server that I cannot send e-mail as far as I can tell. message that I get:
    Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gss.chernobyl.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Connected to 216.133.8.9 but connection died. (#4.4.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
In addition qmail is sitting behind firewall with one static route to the firewall.
May be it just timing out? Once it went through and that is it.
Thankyou for your help
Denis

 




   From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:55:14 -0700

   I am not sure what is going on I can not send e-mail to my work
   server which is running exchange and it is only server that I cannot
   send e-mail as far as I can tell. message that I get:

Is there some reason you needed to send the same message from three
different addresses over the space of four hours?  How come you didn't
try doing something new in that time, like telnet from the affected
machine to port 25 on the destination?

                                        -- Bob Rogers




Kelly Prescott wrote:
> 
> We recently purchased an ISP running postoffice on NT from software.com...
> Does any one know an easy way to migrate from it to the qmail Maildir
> format?
> Also, does any one have any idea of how to get the passwords out of the
> program?
> Sorry in advance if this is a little off topic, but as this is qmail we
> are migrating to, I just thought some one might have had experience doing
> it...

Yes, with qmail-ldap you can get your stuff out of it:

 http://www.nrg4u.com (qmail-ldap homepage)

-- 
Andre




Does suse ship with qmail?

Mate




Mate,
        As of 6.3 no. But it builds in a few minutes from the RPM.

Regards,

Charles Werbick
The Wirehouse

-----Original Message-----
From: Mate Wierdl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 14:54
To: Qmail List
Subject: suse and qmail


Does suse ship with qmail?

Mate





On Apr 19 2000, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> Does suse ship with qmail?

        Not that I know of, but Corel Linux does and it's based on
        Debian.


        []s, Roger...

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Rogerio Brito writes:
 > On Apr 19 2000, Mate Wierdl wrote:
 > > Does suse ship with qmail?
 > 
 >      Not that I know of, but Corel Linux does and it's based on
 >      Debian.

Well, the Corel Linux CD that one can download does indeed have qmail
installed, however it is not configured nor does it start running by
default.

CorelLinux:/var/qmail/control# ls
CorelLinux:/var/qmail/control# 

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well I ve done my first install of qmail.. I can receive mail from outside
wld but cannot send.. I can send to my self ie. TEXT.deliver its just #5
local to remote that fails.. 
where should I look..?


        *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
        * Les Higger ITAF ,
        * Local Area Network Coord.  
        * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
        * Los Angeles Unified School District
 ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
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look at your DNS server and look at the logs
if you have them setup correctly you will see the error on why it cannot
send it the logs.



-----Original Message-----
From: Les Higger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can receive no transmit


well I ve done my first install of qmail.. I can receive mail from outside
wld but cannot send.. I can send to my self ie. TEXT.deliver its just #5
local to remote that fails..
where should I look..?


        *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
        * Les Higger ITAF ,
        * Local Area Network Coord.
        * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
        * Los Angeles Unified School District
 ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad
examples <---







Can you show us the failures in your logs?  And perhaps the output of
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-showctl

-Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Les Higger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can receive no transmit


well I ve done my first install of qmail.. I can receive mail from outside
wld but cannot send.. I can send to my self ie. TEXT.deliver its just #5
local to remote that fails.. 
where should I look..?


        *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
        * Les Higger ITAF ,
        * Local Area Network Coord.  
        * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
        * Los Angeles Unified School District
 ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
examples <--- 






looked in maillog and see CNAME_lookup_failed_temporally

any help ?

        *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
        * Les Higger ITAF ,
        * Local Area Network Coord.  
        * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
        * Los Angeles Unified School District
 ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
examples <--- 


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Nelson, Chris (USITG) wrote:

> Can you show us the failures in your logs?  And perhaps the output of
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-showctl
> 
> -Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Higger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: can receive no transmit
> 
> 
> well I ve done my first install of qmail.. I can receive mail from outside
> wld but cannot send.. I can send to my self ie. TEXT.deliver its just #5
> local to remote that fails.. 
> where should I look..?
> 
> 
>         *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
>         * Les Higger ITAF ,
>         * Local Area Network Coord.  
>         * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>         * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
>         * Los Angeles Unified School District
>  ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
> examples <--- 
> 
> 
> 





could it be the line in /etc/inetd.conf 
I typed the two lines all on one like it said. perhaps i ve got a space i
shouldnt ?

        *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
        * Les Higger ITAF ,
        * Local Area Network Coord.  
        * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
        * Los Angeles Unified School District
 ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
examples <--- 


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Les Higger wrote:

> looked in maillog and see CNAME_lookup_failed_temporally
> 
> any help ?
> 
>         *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
>         * Les Higger ITAF ,
>         * Local Area Network Coord.  
>         * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>         * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
>         * Los Angeles Unified School District
>  ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
> examples <--- 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Nelson, Chris (USITG) wrote:
> 
> > Can you show us the failures in your logs?  And perhaps the output of
> > /var/qmail/bin/qmail-showctl
> > 
> > -Chris
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Les Higger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:55 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: can receive no transmit
> > 
> > 
> > well I ve done my first install of qmail.. I can receive mail from outside
> > wld but cannot send.. I can send to my self ie. TEXT.deliver its just #5
> > local to remote that fails.. 
> > where should I look..?
> > 
> > 
> >         *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
> >         * Les Higger ITAF ,
> >         * Local Area Network Coord.  
> >         * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >         * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
> >         * Los Angeles Unified School District
> >  ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
> > examples <--- 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 





On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:08:49PM -0700, Les Higger wrote:
> looked in maillog and see CNAME_lookup_failed_temporally

Does DNS work at all on that box? Can you resolve any names? What's the domain
to which you're trying to send mail?

Chris




I am not sure... I ll try to test it tomarrow.. 

I tired the other tests and they all worked.. 

thanks

        *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
        * Les Higger ITAF ,
        * Local Area Network Coord.  
        * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School
        * Los Angeles Unified School District
 ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad 
examples <--- 


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Chris Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:08:49PM -0700, Les Higger wrote:
> > looked in maillog and see CNAME_lookup_failed_temporally
> 
> Does DNS work at all on that box? Can you resolve any names? What's the domain
> to which you're trying to send mail?
> 
> Chris
> 





Hope someone can help.
Have the following qmail file:
directory is: /big/doom/xforeverkate/.qmail-default
This file sends all my incoming email to my root address of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
puts it into the folder /big/dom/xforeverkate/vmspool/foreverk
The following email domains: @foreverkate.net, @foreverkate.org,
@katewinslet.net, @katewinslet.org are also put into this folder w/ my
.qmail-default file. (hosting company has mapped the above domains to go
to foreverkate.com)

Need to have any incoming mail that has the:
@foreverkate.net go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
@foreverkate.oeg go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
@katewinslet.net go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
@katewinslet.org go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope someone can help.

--
Patrick
ForeverKate WebMaster Team
http://www.ForeverKate.com






On 19-Apr-2000, ForeverKate.com wrote:
> Hope someone can help.
> Have the following qmail file:
> directory is: /big/doom/xforeverkate/.qmail-default
What directory?

> This file sends all my incoming email to my root address of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the content of that .qmail-default file?

> Need to have any incoming mail that has the:
> @foreverkate.net go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> @foreverkate.oeg go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> @katewinslet.net go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> @katewinslet.org go to the user of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In virtualdomains:
foreverkate.net:someuser-fknet
foreverkate.org:someuser-fkorg
katewinslet.net:someuser-kwnet
katewinslet.org:someuser-kworg

In ~someuser/.qmail-fknet-default:
/path/to/some/Maildir/

In ~someuser/.qmail-fkorg-default:
/path/to/another/Maildir/

etc..


        Ronny





I followed the instructions and got qmail installed fairly easily on
my RedHat6.2 box.  It is the best MTA.  Fortunately, there were no
sendmail users, so I could just get rid of all that crap, and also use
Maildir formats.

I have it so that it receives mail perfectly.  Also, when I send mail
using qmail-inject, it's perfect, with the correct hostnames and
domains.

The problem is when I send email using emacs rmail.  It comes out
without a domain.

I assume the problem is because I don't have a working /bin/mail of
any kind.  I followed the instructions in REMOVE.binmail, and it said,
chmod 0 /bin/mail, and then make sure that "mail" still invokes a
usable mailer.  I can't find a usable mailer to replace it with.
Should I just turn it back on, but not as a setuid program maybe?  But
that would probably break local delivery.  What should I do?

Thanks,

e




   From: Erich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:24:26 -0700 (PDT)

   I followed the instructions and got qmail installed fairly easily on
   my RedHat6.2 box.  It is the best MTA . . .

No arguments here.

   The problem is when I send email using emacs rmail.  It comes out
   without a domain.

I assume you mean your return address?  What is the value of the
user-mail-address emacs variable?  (How to find this?  Type
"user-mail-address " into the *scratch* buffer, then type "C-u C-x C-e",
and see what it inserts.)  If you don't like it, change it by putting

        (setq user-mail-address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]")

in your .emacs file (and type C-x C-e with the cursor after the ")" in
order to get it to happen immediately).

   I assume the problem is because I don't have a working /bin/mail of
   any kind.  I followed the instructions in REMOVE.binmail, and it said,
   chmod 0 /bin/mail, and then make sure that "mail" still invokes a
   usable mailer.  I can't find a usable mailer to replace it with.
   Should I just turn it back on, but not as a setuid program maybe?  But
   that would probably break local delivery.  What should I do?

If you haven't customized emacs mail, C-x m sends using sendmail
(/usr/lib/sendmail, I think), and not /bin/mail.  So, if you've
correctly installed the pseudo-sendmail wrapper for qmail-inject, it
should just work.  That said, I have a friend for whom C-x m never
worked after he installed qmail, and we never managed to figure out why
not.

   Thanks,

   e

I'd be happy to help you, but this is really not a qmail question (or
even an rmail question), so further correspondence should be off-list.

                                        -- Bob Rogers







> I assume you mean your return address?  What is the value of the
> user-mail-address emacs variable?  (How to find this?  Type
> "user-mail-address " into the *scratch* buffer, then type "C-u C-x C-e",
> and see what it inserts.)  If you don't like it, change it by putting
> 
>       (setq user-mail-address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
> 
> in your .emacs file (and type C-x C-e with the cursor after the ")" in
> order to get it to happen immediately).

Well, that did the trick.  However, that line shouldn't be necessary.
I still feel that if emacs is using the system MTA, which as you point
out is sendmail, which is actually a link to qmail/bin/sendmail, then
sendmail should do the right things to put in the correct From: and
Return-Path: lines.  I haven't customized emacs at all.  This
work-around is fine, but I really think I'm missing some part of the
configuration.

Also, there should be some kind of functioning executable in
/bin/mail.  I just don't know what to put there on this system.

Maybe I should have gotten Correl Linux, which comes with qmail
instead of rotten old sendmail.

e

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Funny problem.

I installed Qmail on a newly installed Slackware 7.0, It shows that it has
started etc.., when I send email to that system, I receive the following
error.

Sorry, I couldn't find a mail exchanger or IP address. (#5.4.4)

What did I miss.

Thanks in advance
Bob Ross





Bob Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 19 April 2000 at 21:36:42 -0700
 > Funny problem.
 > 
 > I installed Qmail on a newly installed Slackware 7.0, It shows that it has
 > started etc.., when I send email to that system, I receive the following
 > error.
 > 
 > Sorry, I couldn't find a mail exchanger or IP address. (#5.4.4)
 > 
 > What did I miss.

Sounds like the destination system has no MX or A record in DNS.  If
you're not running a private internal DNS, and if you'd given the
exact name, we could check that from out here and either said this is
definitely the problem, or not bothered you with the suggestion if we
determined it was NOT the problem.  
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hi all,

i am planning to load balance my mail service using 2 servers. my proposed
set up is going to be something like the following,

                                          |  --- Mach1  ---|
Mail clients  ---> Router1   |                         |-----/common/qmail
                                          |  --- Mach2 --- |

i would install qmail in machine mach1 in the dir /common/qmail instead of
the default /var/qmail. Now i would share this directory with mach2 using
NFS or Coda file system. i would now start the qmail in both servers(mach1
and mach2). in mach2,  qmail will not be installed and only the qmail
startup script will be created (since it already has access to the qmail
utilities through the share).

My mail clients are using only POP and smtp to connect to my setup. Access
to the mailservers are only through the router machine. The router will
redirect requests in a round robin fashion. the routing is done at
connection level. ie when my first clients connects to the router machine,
the connection is redirected to the machine1. for a second connection he
will be redirected to the mach2.

since the 2 machines mach1 and mach2 share the same queues and control
files, both mach1 and mach2 will serve as load balancing mailservers.

does anyone foresee any problems with this setup? i am a newbie to qmail and
would like the experts' opinion on this setup :)

thanks





Madhav,
        You may be able to share maildirs, but I'm not sure what you gain by
sharing one installation between two servers. If the server with your
binaries crashes both servers go down. In your place I would probably just
raise the concurrency-remote and run one server. If you need two, definitely
install qmail on both boxes. An easy way to load balance is to spread your
users' Maildirs across both servers(easier with virtual domains). You can
still have mail for one server queue on the other in a pinch.

Regards,

Charles Werbick
The Wirehouse

-----Original Message-----
From: Madhav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 23:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: opinion on my proposed setup!


hi all,

i am planning to load balance my mail service using 2 servers. my proposed
set up is going to be something like the following,

                                          |  --- Mach1  ---|
Mail clients  ---> Router1   |                         |-----/common/qmail
                                          |  --- Mach2 --- |

i would install qmail in machine mach1 in the dir /common/qmail instead of
the default /var/qmail. Now i would share this directory with mach2 using
NFS or Coda file system. i would now start the qmail in both servers(mach1
and mach2). in mach2,  qmail will not be installed and only the qmail
startup script will be created (since it already has access to the qmail
utilities through the share).

My mail clients are using only POP and smtp to connect to my setup. Access
to the mailservers are only through the router machine. The router will
redirect requests in a round robin fashion. the routing is done at
connection level. ie when my first clients connects to the router machine,
the connection is redirected to the machine1. for a second connection he
will be redirected to the mach2.

since the 2 machines mach1 and mach2 share the same queues and control
files, both mach1 and mach2 will serve as load balancing mailservers.

does anyone foresee any problems with this setup? i am a newbie to qmail and
would like the experts' opinion on this setup :)

thanks






hi,
i already have my setup (with router) running for http, ftp and telnet
services. and would like to add this mail service also for the same setup.
This setup actually provides protection from any failure.

> You may be able to share maildirs, but I'm not sure what you gain by
> sharing one installation between two servers. If the server with your
> binaries crashes both servers go down. In your place I would probably just

i use a distributed file system (coda) for storing these qmail binaries and
queues so even if the mach1 crashes mach2 can be still acess it without any
problems.

my concern is if qmail-send is running on both mach1 and mach2 at the same
time, trying to send the mails in the queue will i be having any problems?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Madhav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 23:12
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: opinion on my proposed setup!
>
>
> hi all,
>
> i am planning to load balance my mail service using 2 servers. my proposed
> set up is going to be something like the following,
>
>                                           |  --- Mach1  ---|
> Mail clients  ---> Router1   |                         |-----/common/qmail
>                                           |  --- Mach2 --- |
>
> i would install qmail in machine mach1 in the dir /common/qmail instead of
> the default /var/qmail. Now i would share this directory with mach2 using
> NFS or Coda file system. i would now start the qmail in both servers(mach1
> and mach2). in mach2,  qmail will not be installed and only the qmail
> startup script will be created (since it already has access to the qmail
> utilities through the share).
>
> My mail clients are using only POP and smtp to connect to my setup. Access
> to the mailservers are only through the router machine. The router will
> redirect requests in a round robin fashion. the routing is done at
> connection level. ie when my first clients connects to the router machine,
> the connection is redirected to the machine1. for a second connection he
> will be redirected to the mach2.
>
> since the 2 machines mach1 and mach2 share the same queues and control
> files, both mach1 and mach2 will serve as load balancing mailservers.
>
> does anyone foresee any problems with this setup? i am a newbie to qmail
and
> would like the experts' opinion on this setup :)
>
> thanks
>





On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 10:41:43AM +0530, Madhav wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> i am planning to load balance my mail service using 2 servers. my proposed
> set up is going to be something like the following,
> 
>                                           |  --- Mach1  ---|
> Mail clients  ---> Router1   |                         |-----/common/qmail
>                                           |  --- Mach2 --- |
> 
> i would install qmail in machine mach1 in the dir /common/qmail instead of
> the default /var/qmail. Now i would share this directory with mach2 using
> NFS or Coda file system. i would now start the qmail in both servers(mach1
> and mach2). in mach2,  qmail will not be installed and only the qmail
> startup script will be created (since it already has access to the qmail
> utilities through the share).
> [...]
> does anyone foresee any problems with this setup? i am a newbie to qmail and
> would like the experts' opinion on this setup :)

You will, of course, have problems.  

The qmail queue is designed to be exclusively owned by a single system.

Try searching the list on this exact topic.

Maildir's are desgned to work over NFS.  Tough to get good write
performance over NFS, but it should work.

John




I did not mean to send message so many times. First time I send it. It did
not show up for about 1 hour so I start thinking that I did not send it. So
I send second one using other address and same deal, so I start worring that
my e-mail is not working at all. So I used my ISP e-mail to send it.
Sorry again

But I tried to telnet to the server using smtp port and it does not work
but seems like after DNS translation it points to the wrong IP address.
Possibly MX record problem?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Cannot send e-mail to the domain






hi
1. is there any way by which i can delete a particular mail from queue. for
instance

#[root@server1 msk]# /var/qmail/bin/qmail-qread
19 Apr 2000 07:16:27 GMT  #45086  677  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18 Apr 2000 10:39:22 GMT  #45070  1236  <>
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18 Apr 2000 10:54:46 GMT  #45076  227  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

here if i want to delete the mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , one way is to
manually delete it from the /var/qmail/queue/mess/.... is there any other
way to do it?

2. if a message cannot be delivered, it is kept in the queue and tried at
periodic intervals for 7 days  according to the appendix e.1 of life with
qmail. Can this time of 7 days be reduced to 4 days???

thanks




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