qmail Digest 13 Feb 1999 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 550
Topics (messages 21881 through 21952):
Patch to disable .qmail support for ordinary users
21881 by: "Niall R. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Still confused regarding relaying/rcpthosts
21882 by: Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21895 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mailboxes.
21883 by: R Aldridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21913 by: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Injecting mail to be delivered into qmail
21884 by: Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21886 by: James Raftery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21887 by: Anand Buddhdev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21890 by: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
vacation
21885 by: "Len Budney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
automatic notify upon delivery?
21888 by: Stephan Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21909 by: Dan Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21921 by: Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Helping a guy out with qmail
21889 by: Peter Gradwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21896 by: "Joe Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Am I being exceedingly silly?
21891 by: Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Qmail in LAN with dial-up connection
21892 by: "Rok Papez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21894 by: Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21938 by: Brad Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On demand?
21893 by: Donna Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21900 by: Harald Hanche-Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21950 by: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Spam mail problem
21897 by: "Todd Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21901 by: Harald Hanche-Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21911 by: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21916 by: Vince Vielhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
FW: Spam mail problem
21898 by: "Soffen, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21899 by: Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21914 by: James Smallacombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MRTG && qmail
21902 by: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21905 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank D. Cringle)
21906 by: Pedro Melo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21910 by: Peter Gradwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21939 by: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21951 by: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Virtual Domains.
21903 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21908 by: Chris Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
rcpthosts or tcpserver
21904 by: Aria Prima Novianto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21907 by: Vince Vielhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21919 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
21926 by: Scott Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
control/locals
21912 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21915 by: "Soffen, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21917 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21925 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21928 by: "Timothy L. Mayo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21931 by: Harald Hanche-Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21935 by: Vince Vielhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Typo
21918 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Qmail POP3 Configuration
21920 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
No dice.
21922 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21927 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21930 by: Chris Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21944 by: Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
How to slowly drain Maildir via maildirsmtp ?
21923 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21924 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
var-qmail
21929 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fetchmail & Qmail
21932 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fixed!
21933 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Any interest in maildir->command?
21934 by: "Len Budney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
smtp processes hanging around
21936 by: Paul Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21937 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21941 by: Harald Hanche-Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21942 by: Scott Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21946 by: Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21947 by: Paul Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21948 by: Mark Delany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Timestamp.
21940 by: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21943 by: Kai MacTane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
fastforward weirdness...
21945 by: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
qmail-specific io benchmarking
21949 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ADV:CREDIT CARD PROCESSING
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Hi Mark,
>In this way you can still use the .qmail mechanism when needed, but users
>don't have the ability to change it directly.
Interestingly enough you can still do this using ~alias, without creating
additional
mailhomes.
In our situation most of the 'stuff' related to a user is exported from one
big NetApp, and creating additional mountpoints and large directory structures
needs to be thought through carefully.
>It requires patches to qmail-getpw and checkpassword which you'll need to
>make yourself and it also means you have to create and remove their
mailhome
>as users are created and deleted.
Yes -- there is overhead either way.
NRM
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when the Internet is taking away our power every day."
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I've been looking at the PIC files and maybe my ideas about putting
all my LAN machines' local names into rcpthosts won't work.
Is that right? What I really want is somewhere to list all the
machines that are 'me' and thus should be allowed to send mail whether
actually from the machine where qmail is running or from other
machines on the LAN.
So maybe I'm back at FAQ 5.4, however there's a problem there too,
where is tcp-wrappers? It seems to have been superseded by ucspi-tcp
but I don't want to do that as it seems overkill for my little system.
Any ideas anyone?
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Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 12 February 1999 at 11:17:05 +0000
> I've been looking at the PIC files and maybe my ideas about putting
> all my LAN machines' local names into rcpthosts won't work.
>
> Is that right? What I really want is somewhere to list all the
> machines that are 'me' and thus should be allowed to send mail whether
> actually from the machine where qmail is running or from other
> machines on the LAN.
Thinking of it as "sending from another machine" makes this much
harder. Think of it as relaying, which is what it is, and handle it
via FAQ 5.4.
> So maybe I'm back at FAQ 5.4, however there's a problem there too,
> where is tcp-wrappers? It seems to have been superseded by ucspi-tcp
> but I don't want to do that as it seems overkill for my little system.
>
> Any ideas anyone?
What's overkill about it? Or rather, what's bad about overkill? If
your machine is like several of mine, Linux is overkill for it, and
Apache is overkill, and etc, but I use 'em anyway. No harm in having
some safety margin.
(You certainly *can* do this with inetd and tcp wrappers, my initial
setup used them. But some of the precompiled versions of wrappers may
not have the right features enabled, and generally the qmail community
is more familiar with the tcpserver approach, so we can give better
advice about it.)
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Hi once again guys,
Thanks for all the help you've given me in the past few weeks. I do,
however, have another issue with mailbox conversion.
After direction from this list I have looked at both Russ's and Bruce
Guenter's scripts for converting mailboxes to maildirs. Both are mostly
suitable, though there is a slight problemo.
At our site (currently using sendmail, but the plan is to move it to
qmail) customers have a tendency to leave very old mail on the server.
That is, once it's been read by their POP3 client, they elect to leave
the mail on the server, instead of deleting it. Whilst under qmail,
messages which have been read and are to be left on the server are moved
from the "new" directory to the "cur" directory, this is not the case
with mailbox-based POP3 servers.
It would be very useful if, when converting mailboxes to maildirs, I
could do a search for a tag/line of some sort, which says that a message
has been seen by POP3 already, so then I could automatically write
messages which have not been read yet to the "new" (qmail) directory,
and write seen messages to the "cur" directory. The current scripts to
do this move all messages into the "new" directory. I know that qpopper
writes "X-UIDL:" and "Status" lines, but other POP3 servers may not. An
example of this would be that previous to the qpopper server we are
using now, zpop was used, and perhaps others were used before that, both
of which may write lines to the mailbox, or even may not.
The reasoning behind this is that when we switch over to our new qmail
server, we don't want the load to go through the roof because customers
spend all their time downloading mail messages to read, which they had
previously seen under the other system, i.e. because they were now all
placed in the "new" directory.
I was also wondering on the best way to physically copy existing
mailboxes over, before they are transformed into maildirs. Presently, we
have about 13Gb of mail, and the options are tape or network. If we run
a script which filters old mail from new, we could even leave the old
messages on the old server "just in case" the customers really really
want them, and only copy the new ones over.
Thanks for any help on the above matters,
Regards,
Rich Aldridge,
Internet Systems Engineer,
Cable Internet.
R Aldridge writes:
> At our site (currently using sendmail, but the plan is to move it to
> qmail) customers have a tendency to leave very old mail on the server.
> That is, once it's been read by their POP3 client, they elect to leave
> the mail on the server, instead of deleting it. Whilst under qmail,
> messages which have been read and are to be left on the server are moved
> from the "new" directory to the "cur" directory, this is not the case
> with mailbox-based POP3 servers.
I've got a pair of programs that might help. One does a command for
all email-using users. Another converts a single mailbox into a
maildir, and sets the file's timestamp to that in the From_ line of
the message. You might want to change it to check the access time on
the Mailbox, and delete any mail older than that, once it finishes
converting them.
http://www.qmail.org/for-all-users
http://www.qmail.org/mailbox2maildir
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Is there a simple way of injecting mail into qmail for delivery?
Presumably it's the way that an MUA would use but I can't really find
what that is with qmail.
I have a number of Pegasus outgoing mail files sitting in a shared
directory on the Linux system that it would be very convenient to
inject into qmail.
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On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 11:58:46AM +0000, Chris Green wrote:
> Is there a simple way of injecting mail into qmail for delivery?
man qmail-inject (!)
james
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On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 11:58:46AM +0000, Chris Green wrote:
Assuming the mail files are properly constructed with the sender and
recipient filled in the From:, To:, Cc: and Bcc: lines,
# /bin/csh
# cd /pegasus/mail/directory
# foreach file (`ls`)
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject < $file
> end
# exit
Since you don't know about qmail-inject, looking at its man page would be a
good idea:
man -M /var/qmail/man qmail-inject
> Is there a simple way of injecting mail into qmail for delivery?
> Presumably it's the way that an MUA would use but I can't really find
> what that is with qmail.
>
> I have a number of Pegasus outgoing mail files sitting in a shared
> directory on the Linux system that it would be very convenient to
> inject into qmail.
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Chris Green wrote:
>
> Is there a simple way of injecting mail into qmail for delivery?
> Presumably it's the way that an MUA would use but I can't really find
> what that is with qmail.
echo to: user | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject
Kind regards
Kevin
"Peter Samuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't ship as an rpm. It ships as source code and you have to
> build it yourself. This is a trivial task as all you need to do is
> modify the Makefile and tell it where you want to install it and where
> perl lives.
Though it doesn't ship as an RPM, there are user-contributed RPMs.
You can get the latest on from:
<http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/VByName.html>
Len.
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> in Netscape mail client, there's an option called "notify me on delivery
> on server" that sends the sender a mail back when his mail has been
> received by the remote server. Can this be done with qmail as well?
>
> Franky
As far as I know, there is no possibility, because Netscape does not
print a 'Return-Receipt-To:' into the header
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I think this is just something in mail clients called return reciept.
>Hi,
>
>in Netscape mail client, there's an option called "notify me on delivery
>on server" that sends the sender a mail back when his mail has been
>received by the remote server. Can this be done with qmail as well?
>
>Franky
>
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I think this is just something in mail clients called return reciept.
>Hi,
>
>in Netscape mail client, there's an option called "notify me on delivery
>on server" that sends the sender a mail back when his mail has been
>received by the remote server. Can this be done with qmail as well?
>
>Franky
>
How about qreceipt? (see the man page; so if I am sent a message,
qmail can send back a receipt).
Mate
At 5:46 pm -0800 11/2/99, Bill Parker wrote:
>Hello all,
>
> I am trying to give a guy some assistance with qmail, he is running a
>linux box which is on a private network (i.e. the FQDN is NOT known to the
>internet)...now when he sends mail with Outlook Express (on his lan to the
>Linux box) he gets the following:
>
>heres the error (i think, im look in /var/log/qmail)
>918783025.254361 info msg 147722: bytes 2293 from <#@[]> qp 31505 uid 86
>918783025.331852 starting delivery 9: msg 147722 to remote postmaster@
>918783025.334195 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
>918783025.875727 delivery 9: failure:
>Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_._(#5.1.2)/
>918783025.879945 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
>918783025.884383 triple bounce: discarding bounce/147722
>918783025.885949 end msg 147722
are you running a local dns on the private network?
you need a dns server on the local network so that qmail can look up this domain, even
if the
domain is not visible on the internet.
I refer you to http://www.gradwell.com/help/connect/
which, even if it's not linux/qmail specific, should help you get the idea.
Peter.
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Hi Peter,
Thanks, I'm that guy that dogbert2 (on irc) was helping out. Anyhow, im
not sure if im running a DNS server or not, how can i find out? What
all should i have comfingured (name the files and what should be in em),
so i can double check mine to make sure mine are correct
Thanks,
AMD_
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>From: Peter Gradwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Helping a guy out with qmail
>
>At 5:46 pm -0800 11/2/99, Bill Parker wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>
>> I am trying to give a guy some assistance with qmail, he is running a
>>linux box which is on a private network (i.e. the FQDN is NOT known to
the
>>internet)...now when he sends mail with Outlook Express (on his lan to
the
>>Linux box) he gets the following:
>>
>>heres the error (i think, im look in /var/log/qmail)
>>918783025.254361 info msg 147722: bytes 2293 from <#@[]> qp 31505 uid
86
>>918783025.331852 starting delivery 9: msg 147722 to remote postmaster@
>>918783025.334195 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
>>918783025.875727 delivery 9: failure:
>>Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_._(#5.1.2)/
>>918783025.879945 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
>>918783025.884383 triple bounce: discarding bounce/147722
>>918783025.885949 end msg 147722
>
>are you running a local dns on the private network?
>
>you need a dns server on the local network so that qmail can look up
this domain, even if the
>domain is not visible on the internet.
>
>I refer you to http://www.gradwell.com/help/connect/
>which, even if it's not linux/qmail specific, should help you get the
idea.
>
>Peter.
>
>
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On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 02:45:21PM -0800, Eric Dahnke wrote:
> If his machine is on a home network behind a dial-up conection what the
> hell does it matter.
>
> - eric
So what happens to his machine when it has the ppp connection up? That is a
nice relay hub, it seems.
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Hello.
I've got everything working.
Qmail does POP3/SMTP for clients and uses serialmail to
send mail to internet. Fetchmail is used to transfer mail
from internet POP3 accounts to local POP3 accouonts.
1.st problem:
Outgoing mail has From: line incorrect, that is,
it says "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" instead "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
I had a look at procmail, but there are no examples on how it works.
Could someone send me any examples, that would realy help me out.
2.nd problem:
Even if I fix that... I have 2 internet mail accounts (POP3),
and I'm subscribed to different mailinglists. So if mail is
sent to the mailinglist it MUST be sent from the account I've
subscribed from.
How do I implement some sort of per user database of mailinglists
and if To: line contains a mailinglist it should change From: line
differently AND(!) serialmail should send this mail thru different
SMTP server.
Mucho trouble ;). Thanks for any replies. :)
best regards,
Rok Papez,
Student at Faculty of Computer and Information Science,
University of Ljubljana, Slovenia.
On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 02:24:52PM +0100, Rok Papez wrote:
> 2.nd problem:
> Even if I fix that... I have 2 internet mail accounts (POP3),
> and I'm subscribed to different mailinglists. So if mail is
> sent to the mailinglist it MUST be sent from the account I've
> subscribed from.
> How do I implement some sort of per user database of mailinglists
> and if To: line contains a mailinglist it should change From: line
> differently AND(!) serialmail should send this mail thru different
> SMTP server.
>
That sounds like the sort of problem that mutt's send-hook facility
could handle for you. (mutt is an MUA)
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On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 02:24:52PM +0100, Rok Papez wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've got everything working.
> Qmail does POP3/SMTP for clients and uses serialmail to
> send mail to internet. Fetchmail is used to transfer mail
> from internet POP3 accounts to local POP3 accouonts.
>
> 1.st problem:
> Outgoing mail has From: line incorrect, that is,
> it says "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" instead "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> I had a look at procmail, but there are no examples on how it works.
> Could someone send me any examples, that would realy help me out.
>
> 2.nd problem:
> Even if I fix that... I have 2 internet mail accounts (POP3),
> and I'm subscribed to different mailinglists. So if mail is
> sent to the mailinglist it MUST be sent from the account I've
> subscribed from.
> How do I implement some sort of per user database of mailinglists
> and if To: line contains a mailinglist it should change From: line
> differently AND(!) serialmail should send this mail thru different
> SMTP server.
>
You could try mutt, if you're not resistant to terminal mode mail clients.
`*8>
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I run qmail v 1.03 on a Sparc 20 (soon to be changed over to an Intel P2 300
running FreeBSD)
An issue has cropped that some of the customers of the ISP that I admin for have
began using NT's Small Business Server. (I have not taken a close look at this
yet, but from what I hear many of the people that are using it are using it on a
'on demand' basis for thier email. Basically what people are wanting is this:
When they are dialed up mail gets delivered straight to thier machine (Not to
the mail server then to thier machine)
but when they are not connected the mail server stores thier email and then
sends it to them when they dial up...
I have found very little documentation on this. The only customers previously
that were using the methed of recieving email directly were those with a
dedicated line, but how do I do what I have stated.
Thanks
Donna
- Donna Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| [...] Basically what people are wanting is this: When they are
| dialed up mail gets delivered straight to thier machine (Not to the
| mail server then to thier machine) but when they are not connected
| the mail server stores thier email and then sends it to them when
| they dial up...
|
| I have found very little documentation on this. The only customers
| previously that were using the methed of recieving email directly
| were those with a dedicated line, but how do I do what I have
| stated.
Sounds like you need the serialmail from DJB's collection.
ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/serialmail.html
It contains a program that will blast the contents of a maildir to a
given host using smtp.
The idea is that qmail stores mail for the customer in such a maildir,
and all you need to add is a mechanism for triggering such a run when
the customer dials in.
- Harald
Harald Hanche-Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sounds like you need the serialmail from DJB's collection.
> ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/serialmail.html
> It contains a program that will blast the contents of a maildir to a
> given host using smtp. The idea is that qmail stores mail for the
> customer in such a maildir, and all you need to add is a mechanism for
> triggering such a run when the customer dials in.
That's what I was thinking too, but that doesn't take care of this part:
> - Donna Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> | [...] Basically what people are wanting is this: When they are
> | dialed up mail gets delivered straight to thier machine (Not to the
> | mail server then to thier machine) [...]
Assuming the "not to the mail server then to their machine" should be
taken literally, that's going to require playing games with DNS MX records
based on whether the customer is dialed in.
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I'm looking for suggestions on this one.
It has come to my attention that some of the spammers are forging their
mail as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and relaying wherever they want. What is the best way to stop this action
from happening?
I'm already using rbl and orbs to block unwanted sites now.
TIA,
Todd Reese
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- "Todd Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| I'm looking for suggestions on this one.
|
| It has come to my attention that some of the spammers are forging their
| mail as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| and relaying wherever they want.
Are you saying they are relaying through your site, or just that you
are receiving a lot of bounces because of the forged return addresses?
If the latter, I have nothing to add to the previous posts.
If the former, you have to stop relaying by using your
control/rcpthosts file the way you're supposed to. (I.e, only list
your own domains in it, and use the RELAYHOST environment variable
selectively to allow relaying for authorized hosts). You cannot base
the decision on whether or not to relay on envelope sender addresses;
spammers are clever enough to forge them, as you are no doubt aware.
- Harald
Todd Reese writes:
>
>
> I'm looking for suggestions on this one.
>
> It has come to my attention that some of the spammers are forging their
> mail as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> and relaying wherever they want. What is the best way to stop this action
> from happening?
If you mean that they're relaying through your machine, the return address
is irrelevant, because Qmail does not use that as a relay control. More
than likely your machine is a completely open relay, that you will need to
fix.
> I'm already using rbl and orbs to block unwanted sites now.
If you mean that your domain's return address is forged on spam runs that
occur elsewhere, you have several options available to you.
A number of recent court cases upheld the notion that this is wire fraud.
The FBI is not really very interested in these things, the best results
were obtained by suing the forgerers in civil court.
That, however, will take some time to happen. I have found that a much
quicker way to resolve the issue is to write a rather simple mail filter to
trap all the bounces and flames that are going your way (which are easily
filtertable), and automatically forward them to the spammer in charge,
letting them drown under their own bilge.
After I started doing that, and I made it known that they will still end up
getting all their bounces and flames, I no longer had to waste my time on
situations like that.
--
Sam
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Sam wrote:
>
> If you mean that your domain's return address is forged on spam runs that
> occur elsewhere, you have several options available to you.
>
> A number of recent court cases upheld the notion that this is wire fraud.
> The FBI is not really very interested in these things, the best results
> were obtained by suing the forgerers in civil court.
This is also in violation of US Federal Trademark Law - whether or not
the domain or domain's holder has a trademark on the name. I think I
posted the relevant portions of the law on this list in the last few
months.
Vince.
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You have little to no chance of stopping that.
There is no way you can do it.
Hot Mail/AOL deal with since most spam comes with a bogus from address.
Matt Soffen
Webmaster - http://www.iso-ne.com/
==============================================
Boss - "My boss says we need some eunuch programmers."
Dilbert - "I think he means UNIX and I already know UNIX."
Boss - "Well, if the company nurse comes by, tell her I said
never mind."
- Dilbert -
==============================================
> ----------
> From: Todd Reese[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Spam mail problem
>
>
>
> I'm looking for suggestions on this one.
>
> It has come to my attention that some of the spammers are forging
> their
> mail as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> and relaying wherever they want. What is the best way to stop this
> action
> from happening?
>
> I'm already using rbl and orbs to block unwanted sites now.
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Todd Reese
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
"Soffen, Matthew" wrote:
>
> You have little to no chance of stopping that.
>
> There is no way you can do it.
>
> Hot Mail/AOL deal with since most spam comes with a bogus from address.
>
> > I'm looking for suggestions on this one.
> >
> > It has come to my attention that some of the spammers are forging
> > their
> > mail as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > and relaying wherever they want. What is the best way to stop this
> > action
> > from happening?
> >
> > I'm already using rbl and orbs to block unwanted sites now.
Actually, there are some things you can do. Find out what ISP they are
dialing in from or who gives them a connection. Contact them, and
there's a good change they will remove the account for you.
--
Joel Shellman
knOcean Interactive Corporation
http://corp.knOcean.com/
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Soffen, Matthew wrote:
> You have little to no chance of stopping that.
Not so. You can sue them. There is already legal precedent for this
exact situation. You will win.
> There is no way you can do it.
>
> Hot Mail/AOL deal with since most spam comes with a bogus from address.
>
> Matt Soffen
> Webmaster - http://www.iso-ne.com/
> ==============================================
> Boss - "My boss says we need some eunuch programmers."
> Dilbert - "I think he means UNIX and I already know UNIX."
> Boss - "Well, if the company nurse comes by, tell her I said
> never mind."
> - Dilbert -
> ==============================================
>
> > ----------
> > From: Todd Reese[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:05 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Spam mail problem
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on this one.
> >
> > It has come to my attention that some of the spammers are forging
> > their
> > mail as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > and relaying wherever they want. What is the best way to stop this
> > action
> > from happening?
> >
> > I'm already using rbl and orbs to block unwanted sites now.
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Todd Reese
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
James Smallacombe Internet Access for The Delaware
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Valley in PA, NJ and DE
PlantageNet Internet Ltd. http://www.pil.net
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I have MRTG reporting on the number of deliveries per five minute
period. http://www.crynwr.com/mrtg/messages.html. I'm running
qmail-analog every five minutes, on the previous integral five minute
slice of the data. Right now, I'm recording the number of
deliveries. I could record anything else, though. Candidates?
--
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Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | There is good evidence
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | that freedom is the
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | cause of world peace.
Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have MRTG reporting on the number of deliveries per five minute
> period. http://www.crynwr.com/mrtg/messages.html. I'm running
> qmail-analog every five minutes, on the previous integral five minute
> slice of the data. Right now, I'm recording the number of
> deliveries. I could record anything else, though. Candidates?
I have been recording
* messages/sec arriving in mail queue
* bytes/sec arriving in mail queue
* messages in queue
* number of delivery attempts in progress
for some time. The first 2 are pretty uninteresting, but "messages in
queue" is useful. For instance, one of the hosts that we secondary for
has been off the air for a few days and the backlog is growing visibly.
http://www.ping.de/perl/saplot-qmail
My stuff is derived from a midnight trawl through the log files. The
link to the source on that web-page is out of date and does not get
the current version or any of the qmail-related stuff. I certainly
endorse Russ' use of MRTG to get near realtime results, and I suggest
people use it rather than samon/saplot.
--
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voice: (+49 2304) 467101; fax: 943357
On 12-Feb-99 Russell Nelson wrote:
> I have MRTG reporting on the number of deliveries per five minute
> period. http://www.crynwr.com/mrtg/messages.html. I'm running
> qmail-analog every five minutes, on the previous integral five minute
> slice of the data. Right now, I'm recording the number of
> deliveries. I could record anything else, though. Candidates?
Queue size is a good one. Avg delay might be usefull for some. % of messages
retryed?
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Tel: +351-1-3166740 Av. Duque de Avila, 23
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Linux: up 22 days and 15:48, 8 users, load average: 0.12, 0.46, 0.45
At 2:15 pm +0000 12/2/99,the wonderful Russell Nelson wrote:
>I have MRTG reporting on the number of deliveries per five minute
>period. http://www.crynwr.com/mrtg/messages.html. I'm running
>qmail-analog every five minutes, on the previous integral five minute
>slice of the data. Right now, I'm recording the number of
>deliveries. I could record anything else, though. Candidates?
wow!
I'd love to know how you did this :-)
especially, how you got the qmail analog detail into a form for mtrg to plot it.
also, I think it would be really useful to know the amount of mail data transfered per
user in
graph form! That comes out from the qmailanalog report zsuids, I think.
thanks
peter
--
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online @ http://www.gradwell.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"To look back all the time is boring. Excitement lies in tomorrow"
Peter Gradwell writes:
> At 2:15 pm +0000 12/2/99,the wonderful Russell Nelson wrote:
> >I have MRTG reporting on the number of deliveries per five minute
> >period. http://www.crynwr.com/mrtg/messages.html. I'm running
> >qmail-analog every five minutes, on the previous integral five minute
> >slice of the data. Right now, I'm recording the number of
> >deliveries. I could record anything else, though. Candidates?
>
> wow!
>
> I'd love to know how you did this :-)
>
> especially, how you got the qmail analog detail into a form for mtrg to plot it.
By parsing the output of zoverall. (In other words, pure laziness).
Strictly speaking, I ought to do the summations myself, I just didn't
(and don't) have the time to do it right.
> also, I think it would be really useful to know the amount of mail
> data transfered per user in graph form! That comes out from the
> qmailanalog report zsuids, I think.
Hmmm.... I don't think mrtg would be well-suited for plotting that information.
Here's the relevant section from my mrtg.cfg:
Title[messages]: Crynwr Software
MaxBytes[messages]: 100
AbsMax[messages]: 10000
Options[messages]: gauge
Target[messages]: `/usr/local/bin/qmail-mrtg /var/log/qmail`
PageTop[messages]: <H1>Crynwr Software</H1>
<P>Number of messages
YLegend[messages]: Messages
Legend1[messages]: Total messages
LegendI[messages]: Deliveries:
LegendO[messages]: Attempts:
WithPeak[messages]: ymwd
And qmail-mrtg follows:
#!/usr/bin/perl
# analyze the last five minutes of a cyclog-format qmail log.
#----------- Configuration -------------
$logperiod = 5*60; # change if logging other than 5 mins.
$holdingfile = "/usr/local/lib/pending.mrtg"; # rewritten every $logperiod.
$qa = "/usr/local/qmailanalog/bin"; # location of qmailanalog bindir.
$qmail_log_dir = shift;
# compute the start and stop periods. We do the precise five minute
# period (e.g. 05:00 -> 09:59) prior to this moment, to ensure that
# every five minute period is covered.
$stop = $^T;
$seconds = $logperiod - $stop % $logperiod;
$seconds = 0 if ($seconds == $logperiod);
$stop -= $seconds;
$start = $stop - $logperiod;
# get the last two files. We process both of them so we don't have to
# deal with cyclog having switched just before, during or after we started.
# Ensure that the earlier of the two logs was started before $start.
opendir(DIR, $qmail_log_dir) or die;
@_ = sort readdir(DIR);
@ARGV = splice(@_, -2, 2);
$earlier = @ARGV[0];
$earlier =~ s/^\@//;
die if $earlier > $start;
map($_ = "$qmail_log_dir/$_", @ARGV);
# process the two files, and run them through matchup.
open(P, "<$holdingfile") or die;
open(QA, "|$qa/matchup >/tmp/out.$$ 5>$holdingfile") or die;
while(<P>) { print QA; }
close(P);
while(<>) {
split;
next if ($_[0] < $start || $_[0] >= $stop);
print QA;
}
# analyze the last five minutes.
open(REP, "$qa/zoverall </tmp/out.$$|") or die;
while(<REP>) {
if (/^Completed messages: (\d+)/) {
print "$1\n";
if (!$1) {
print "0\n";
exit;
}
}
print "$1\n" if /^Recipients for completed messages: (\d+)/;
}
close(REP);
# cleanup.
unlink("/tmp/out.$$");
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Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | There is good evidence
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | that freedom is the
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | cause of world peace.
Another similar tool used in different circles than MRTG usually is is
innreport, the script that parses syslog and log files from a news server
and generates nightly news reports. A well-kept secret is that the author
has been doing a lot of incredible work with it in terms of modularizing
it and making it more generic, and it's already possible to use it to
analyze any log format you feel like teaching it how to parse, or using it
and just writing a .pm module to maintain the appropriate variables for
any type of syslog log.
It's been on my list of things to look at to create a mail log parser from
that for a while.
--
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Hey Guys,
I'm having the hardest time figuring out how to get Virtual Domains
working. I'm sure this question is asked a lot, but if you would
indulge me....
Here's what the control/virtualdomains looks like:
wsmg103.com:wsmg
rufushurt.com:mbryan
tabtn.org:tab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] works just fine. But, I want to direct control
to the user. So they can manage their own aliases in their own
directory.
It's my understanding that if I direct wsmg103.com to the wsmg user,
that all I should have to do is put a
/home/wsmg/.qmail-user to forward mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But, it
won't pick that address up.
Am I missing something. I've read through all the docs. I just don't
see what's going on. I've restarted, I've even rebooted.
Here's the control/rcpthosts:
LOCALHOST
radiocafe.com
wsmg103.com
mail.radioafe.com
tabtn.org
sapper.net
fcphoto.com
sportstrades.com
rufushurt.com
Here's control/locals:
LOCALHOST
radiocafe.com
wsmg103.com
rufushurt.com
tabtn.org
sapper.net
sportstrades.com
fcphoto.com
Here's /home/wsmg/.qmail-mbryan
&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I know I've just done something stupid. Please direct me.
Michael
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The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 05:01:58PM +0000, Michael Bryan wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I'm having the hardest time figuring out how to get Virtual Domains
> working. I'm sure this question is asked a lot, but if you would
> indulge me....
>
> Here's what the control/virtualdomains looks like:
>
> wsmg103.com:wsmg
> rufushurt.com:mbryan
> tabtn.org:tab
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] works just fine. But, I want to direct control
> to the user. So they can manage their own aliases in their own
> directory.
>
> It's my understanding that if I direct wsmg103.com to the wsmg user,
> that all I should have to do is put a
> /home/wsmg/.qmail-user to forward mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But, it
> won't pick that address up.
>
> Am I missing something. I've read through all the docs. I just don't
> see what's going on. I've restarted, I've even rebooted.
>
> Here's the control/rcpthosts:
>
> LOCALHOST
> radiocafe.com
> wsmg103.com
> mail.radioafe.com
> tabtn.org
> sapper.net
> fcphoto.com
> sportstrades.com
> rufushurt.com
>
> Here's control/locals:
>
> LOCALHOST
> radiocafe.com
> wsmg103.com
> rufushurt.com
> tabtn.org
> sapper.net
> sportstrades.com
> fcphoto.com
Take all of your virtual domains out of locals. A domain is either virtual or
local--never both.
Chris
>
> Here's /home/wsmg/.qmail-mbryan
> &[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I know I've just done something stupid. Please direct me.
>
> Michael
>
> --
> Michael Bryan
> The Radio Cafe, LLC
> http://www.radiocafe.com
As I understand it, there are 2 ways to a do selective relaying.
put the host names in rcpthosts, or using tcpserver by putting them in
/etc/smtp.cdb and running tcprules.
Is my understanding correct? If it is which method is preferred?
Thank you,
--
*) Aria
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Aria Prima Novianto wrote:
>
> As I understand it, there are 2 ways to a do selective relaying.
> put the host names in rcpthosts, or using tcpserver by putting them in
> /etc/smtp.cdb and running tcprules.
>
> Is my understanding correct? If it is which method is preferred?
> Thank you,
>
You need to do both. rcpthosts is a list of who you receive mail FOR
and tcpserver with RELAYCLIENT is for who you will allow to send mail
through you.
Vince.
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Aria Prima Novianto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 12 February 1999 at 11:02:25 -0600
>
> As I understand it, there are 2 ways to a do selective relaying.
> put the host names in rcpthosts, or using tcpserver by putting them in
> /etc/smtp.cdb and running tcprules.
>
> Is my understanding correct? If it is which method is preferred?
To do relaying selective as to *source* of connection, the only method
is to use FAQ 5.4 (tcpserver, as you outline).
rcpthosts controls addresses for which you will *RECEIVE* mail. The
"rcpt" in the name comes from "recipient".
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Aria Prima Novianto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| As I understand it, there are 2 ways to a do selective relaying.
| put the host names in rcpthosts, or using tcpserver by putting them in
| /etc/smtp.cdb and running tcprules.
|
| Is my understanding correct? If it is which method is preferred?
| Thank you,
No. rcpthosts is just a funny way to spell "these hosts are really
me". It's the logical concatenation of /var/qmail/locals and
/var/qmail/virtualdomains, unless you do something uncommon with MX
records.
Tcpserver says "you are a client that I trust and so will allow you to
send mail through me (in one end and out the other) to the internet at
large."
You need to use tcpserver to allow relaying.
When I don't put one of my virtual domains in control/locals/, I get the
following error:
=========================
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at radiocafe.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local.
(#5.4.6)
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (qmail 20844 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 17:21:56 -0000
Received: from mbryan.radiocafe.com (HELO radiocafe.com)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
by radiocafe.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 17:21:56 -0000
Sender: root
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:22:46 +0000
From: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: The Radio Cafe, LLC - http://www.radiocafe.com
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i686)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
test
============================
That's why I've been putting my virtualdomains in both
control/virtualdomains and control/locals
Where's my error?
--
Michael Bryan
The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
You need to make sure it is in your rcpthosts file as well as the
virtual domain file.
Matt Soffen
Webmaster - http://www.iso-ne.com/
==============================================
Boss - "My boss says we need some eunuch programmers."
Dilbert - "I think he means UNIX and I already know UNIX."
Boss - "Well, if the company nurse comes by, tell her I said
never mind."
- Dilbert -
==============================================
> ----------
> From: Michael Bryan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: control/locals
>
> When I don't put one of my virtual domains in control/locals/, I get
> the
> following error:
>
> =========================
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at radiocafe.com.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
> addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
> it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local.
> (#5.4.6)
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: (qmail 20844 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 17:21:56
> -0000
> Received: from mbryan.radiocafe.com (HELO radiocafe.com)
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> by radiocafe.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 17:21:56 -0000
> Sender: root
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:22:46 +0000
> From: Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: The Radio Cafe, LLC - http://www.radiocafe.com
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i686)
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: test
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> test
> ============================
>
> That's why I've been putting my virtualdomains in both
> control/virtualdomains and control/locals
>
> Where's my error?
> --
> Michael Bryan
> The Radio Cafe, LLC
> http://www.radiocafe.com
>
"Soffen, Matthew" wrote:
>
> You need to make sure it is in your rcpthosts file as well as the
> virtual domain file.
It is....here's exactly what's in the files...
Here's the control/locals. I know there is some redundance right now,
but I want my users to still get mail while I'm switching everything
over.
#WSMG Aliases
@wsmg103.com:wsmg
wsmg103.com
#Rufus Aliases
@rufushurt.com:mbryan
rufushurt.com
#Fcphoto.com Aliases
fcphoto.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#Sapper.net Aliases
sapper.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#Tabtn.org Aliases
tabtn.org
@tabtn.org:tab
#Sportstrades.com Aliases
sportstrades.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mbryan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mbryan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mbryan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here's control/rcpthosts
LOCALHOST
radiocafe.com
wsmg103.com
tabtn.org
sapper.net
fcphoto.com
sportstrades.com
rufushurt.com
Here's control/locals now.....
LOCALHOST
radiocafe.com
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
Mate Wierdl wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
> it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local.
> (#5.4.6)
>
> So it treats it as nonlocal. Next it would try if the host is in
> virtualdomains.
>
> I think looking at the PIC files will help.
>
> Mate
But it is in the virtualdomains file. That's what I can't figure out.
MB
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Michael Bryan
The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
man qmail-send. The format of your virtualdomains file was all messed up.
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Michael Bryan wrote:
> Mate Wierdl wrote:
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
> > it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local.
> > (#5.4.6)
> >
> > So it treats it as nonlocal. Next it would try if the host is in
> > virtualdomains.
> >
> > I think looking at the PIC files will help.
> >
> > Mate
>
> But it is in the virtualdomains file. That's what I can't figure out.
>
> MB
> --
> Michael Bryan
> The Radio Cafe, LLC
> http://www.radiocafe.com
>
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Timothy L. Mayo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Senior Systems Manager
localconnect(sm)
http://www.localconnect.net/
The National Business Network Inc. http://www.nb.net/
One Monroeville Center, Suite 850
Monroeville, PA 15146
(412) 810-8888 Phone
(412) 810-8886 Fax
- Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| When I don't put one of my virtual domains in control/locals/, I get
| the following error:
|
| =========================
|
| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
| it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local.
| (#5.4.6)
- "Soffen, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| You need to make sure it is in your rcpthosts file as well as the
| virtual domain file.
Irrelevant; That bounce is generated by qmail-remote. The fact that
qmail-remote got the message means the domain was found neither in the
control/locals file nor in the control/virtualdomains file. That the
message mentions only one of these files is misleading.
- Michael Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| Here's the control/locals [actually control/virtualdomains, as
| Michael later explains]. I know there is some redundance right now,
| but I want my users to still get mail while I'm switching everything
| over.
Your problem is most likely that your virtualdomains file has the
wrong format! Pay careful attention to the qmail-send manual page.
I have no idea what qmail-send will make of your data; I would have to
read the source to find out.
| #WSMG Aliases
| @wsmg103.com:wsmg
Probably, this handles mail with an empty local part and domain
wsmg103.com.
| wsmg103.com
That line, missing the colon, is perhaps ignored. Or perhaps it is
equivalent to one saying "wsmg103.com:" which would be an explicit
rule that wsmg103.com is not a virtual domain.
| #Fcphoto.com Aliases
| fcphoto.com
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are these supposed to signify?
- Harald
On 12-Feb-99 Michael Bryan wrote:
> Mate Wierdl wrote:
>>
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
>> it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local.
>> (#5.4.6)
>>
>> So it treats it as nonlocal. Next it would try if the host is in
>> virtualdomains.
>>
>> I think looking at the PIC files will help.
>>
>> Mate
>
> But it is in the virtualdomains file. That's what I can't figure out.
Did you HUP qmail-send?
Vince.
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# include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2
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The previous message should have said...
"control/virtualdomains" as the first file I show.
MB
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Michael Bryan
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http://www.radiocafe.com
On Tue, Feb 02, 1999 at 06:11:09PM -0500, MountaiNet Tech Support wrote:
> Ok, I know I will get badgered and flamed over this one, but Im having a
> problem setting up Qmail to run for my POP3 server. Ive had no problems
> getting it to run up to this point. It delivers messages fine to Mailbox
> in any home directory. I changed the line in /var/qmail/rc from Mailbox to
> Maildir. It will deliver fine to a Maildir in any home directory now. If
> I run /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake /home/username/Maildir it creates that
> directory fine. Inside of it i have cur, new, and tmp. It will not
> deliver to this Maildir. When I try to check e-mail on port 110 I get the
> dreaded -ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir message. I run tcpserver with
> the lines:
Hmm... do you maildirmake as the user or as root? If as root, you'll have to chown -R
user /home/username/Maildir after that.
qmail can't deliver if the maildir is owned by root, and neither can qmail-pop3d read
from it.
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know what the problem is, but I just can't mail to virtual
domains without having them in my control/locals file. It complains
that it's the right MX for the host but the name is not in
control/locals.
Anybody have any idea?
MB
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Michael Bryan
The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> After adding the domains to the control/virtualdomains file did you restart
> qmail? Also did you make the necessary alias entries for the virtual
> domains?
Alias entries? I didn't see that in the FAQ. (besides the ones in the
/home/user directory.) Are there others?
MB
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Michael Bryan
The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 07:25:02PM +0000, Michael Bryan wrote:
> I don't know what the problem is, but I just can't mail to virtual
> domains without having them in my control/locals file. It complains
> that it's the right MX for the host but the name is not in
> control/locals.
>
> Anybody have any idea?
Try simplifying things a little:
control/rcpthosts:
wsmg103.com
[any other domains you want to receive mail for]
control/virtualdomains:
wsmg103.com:wsmg
[any other virtual domains, but no other entries that mention wsmg103.com]
control/locals can contain anything, so long as it isn't wsmg103.com.
Now make sure that the user wsmg exists, and that ~wsmg/.qmail-user exists. (If
there's not really a user called wsmg, then you need ~alias/.qmail-wsmg-user.)
SIGHUP qmail-send.
Assuming that the MX record for wsmg103.com points to this host, you will be
able to send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delivery will be controlled by
~wsmg/.qmail-user (or ~alias/.qmail-wsmg-user, if the user wsmg doesn't exist).
Chris
again: you need to restart qmail-send. Also, the syntax you are using
in virtualdomains is completely forbidden, like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mate
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Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis
On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 12:44:42AM -0500, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
> On 5 Feb 1999, Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote:
>
> > Hi, I had setup a backup mailserver to collect incoming mail whilst my
> > server was being upgraded. I used virtualdomains and put it all in a
> > Maildir. Now that the server has been upgraded, I plan to use
> > maildirsmtp to send the mail back out. However, I would like to not
> > flood the remote machine and send some messages, wait for (a little
> > while) the remote machine to clear its queue etc
>
> If you're running tcpserver on the new main mail server, you can adjust
> the number of concurrent qmail-smtpd processes that can be opened at any
> one time. IIRC maildirsmtp uses qmail's normal remote delivery system,
> so you can also set your concurrencyremote accordingly. Your machines and
> network will determine what you can reasonably set this to without
> burying the primary server.
No, maildirsmtp opens one (1) smtp connection and pumps all messages in the Maildir
thru that connection. No concurrency will help here.
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 02:13:01AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 12:48:48AM -0500, Sam wrote:
> > On 5 Feb 1999, Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote:
> >
> > > maildirsmtp to send the mail back out. However, I would like to not
> > > flood the remote machine and send some messages, wait for (a little
> > > while) the remote machine to clear its queue etc
> >
> > Set concurrencyremote to 1. Not exactly what you want, but that's the
> > best you can do without hacking the code.
>
> I don't think this is what you want.
>
> maildirsmtp connects to a single smtp server, and sends each message
> to that single server.
In one connection.
> I don't think that a single instance of qmail-smtpd can accept
> mail fast enough to overwhelm qmail-send.
Sure it can. Depends how busy qmail-send is. But it will _eventually_ catch up.
> The key is to either
>
> 1) Not worry (my suggestion)
I agree.
> or
>
> 2) limit qmail-smtpd's concurrency using tcpserver -c
Bullshit. maildirsmtp opens just one connection.
> Again, qmail should be able to queue mail faster than you can send
> it to the machine using serialmail.
If it's not to heave loaded :)
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 01:23:46PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 01:06:51PM -0800, Racer X wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > >So what if I include 30 different UID/GID combinations?
> >
> > If I'm understanding correctly what you want to do, which is include
> > separate binaries for each UID configuration, at some point it's going to
> > make your distribution ridiculously big.
>
> Suffer. :)
>
> sendmail rpm I have is 260K. sendmail DOC rpm is 460K.
>
> > And besides that, there's STILL
> > no guarantee that the package will work on every distribution unless you
> > account for every possible permutation of the UID space. It also fails to
> > account for the usernames necessary being taken. Yes, qmail is an unlikely
> > choice, but it's still possible that it's already present on the system.
>
> How about a single uid/gid pair per rpm with a naming scheme like:
>
> qmail-1.03_792_500-1.rpm
>
> In fact, were one to do this, someone could automatically build the
> rpm to the user's request.
Can't put that on a CD with a md5 sum on it.
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 06:25:58PM +0100, David Gomez wrote:
> Hi, I�m using fetchmail to retrieve my mail from my remote account in my ISP
> pop server. Then I tell fetchmail to pass all the mail to qmail-inject. But i
> don�t know how to tell qmail to send all this mail to a local Mailbox and not
> trying to resend the messages again to their destinations.
Tell qmail-inject your username, like:
mda "/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject peter"
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks Guys!
I appreciate everyone who sent a comment. They all helped and I'm now
up and running correctly. It's really hard to get rid of old sendmail
habits. Performance is the name of the game and Qmail definitely has
it..(at least on my box).
Thanks!
MB
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Michael Bryan
The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
Hi folks,
My heavily-filtered mail setup (and yours?) has two big problems:
1. Most MUAs don't really use maildirs well, and
2. Most MUAs don't handle asynchrony well
The former is illustrated by Mew, which can import mail from a
maildir, but which uses MH folders otherwise.
The latter is illustrated by MH, which routinely corrupts its
mh_sequences under heavy, asynchronous use.
Would anyone be interested in an extension to the serialmail package
which pumps a maildir through a process? The idea, for example, is to let
qmail deliver to a maildir, and then run something like:
maildircmd ~/Maildir preline procmail
or
maildircmd ~/Maildir rcvstore +lists/$EXT2
as a separate daemon? The result is that .qmail-style filtering would
be completely serialized, yet latency would be under control, and
reliability would still be perfect (modulo the filters themselves).
If folks are interested, I am willing to work on it (though it would
be a 75% ripoff of Dan's serialsmtp). Better, if folks are very
interested, can we ask Dan to include it in a future serialmail
release?
Len.
PS: example 2 above suggests that maildircmd should set all of the
same environment variables as qmail-local, insofar as this is
possible.
--
"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We wouldn't let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?" -- Josef Stalin
Hello all, got a new one for qmail 1.03 users everywhere.
I've had these connections for about a day now. qmail-qread says these
messages are not in the que, and qmail-qstat equalled the number of
messages that qmail-qread displayed.
I stopped and restarted the qmail-smtpd daemon (im on a RH 5.1 box so I
gave it a qmail-smtpd restart. It stopped the tcpserver, supervise, and
smtpd daemon... but these guys are still here.
Any way of figuring our why they are lingering or how to kill them short
of a reboot?
BTW... man netstat did not explain the LAST_ACK signal.
Thanks!
tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:28934 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 24665 mail.f-tech.net:29812 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 25185 mail.f-tech.net:31291 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:31542 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:32306 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 24749 mail.f-tech.net:1114 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:2062 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:2136 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:4189 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
LAST_ACK
Paul D. Farber II
Farber Technology
717-628-5303
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 03:11:58PM -0500, Paul Farber wrote:
> Hello all, got a new one for qmail 1.03 users everywhere.
>
> I've had these connections for about a day now. qmail-qread says these
> messages are not in the que, and qmail-qstat equalled the number of
> messages that qmail-qread displayed.
>
> I stopped and restarted the qmail-smtpd daemon (im on a RH 5.1 box so I
> gave it a qmail-smtpd restart. It stopped the tcpserver, supervise, and
> smtpd daemon... but these guys are still here.
>
> Any way of figuring our why they are lingering or how to kill them short
> of a reboot?
They _should_ timeout. Use netstat -o to see timeout values (on linux anyway).
And yeah well.. hotmail sucks. Can't reach their website from behind my masquerading
firewall apart from using a proxy. They seem to have disabled _all_ ICMP traffic,
which sucks. And also gives you sh*t like this.
> BTW... man netstat did not explain the LAST_ACK signal.
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Paul Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| Hello all, got a new one for qmail 1.03 users everywhere.
|
| I've had these connections for about a day now. qmail-qread says these
| messages are not in the que, and qmail-qstat equalled the number of
| messages that qmail-qread displayed.
|
| I stopped and restarted the qmail-smtpd daemon (im on a RH 5.1 box so I
| gave it a qmail-smtpd restart. It stopped the tcpserver, supervise, and
| smtpd daemon... but these guys are still here.
|
| Any way of figuring our why they are lingering or how to kill them short
| of a reboot?
|
| BTW... man netstat did not explain the LAST_ACK signal.
|
| Thanks!
|
| tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:28934 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
| LAST_ACK
| tcp 65 24665 mail.f-tech.net:29812 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
| LAST_ACK
LAST_ACK is not a signal, it's a TCP state. It means the connection
is practically closed down, your end is just waiting for the other
side's ACK of your FIN. Check the TCP connection state diagram in
figure 6, RFC 793. If hotmail.com generates a lot of connections in
this state they sure have a problem. I don't know what you can do
about it, though, as I am no networking expert.
But as far as I can figure out, your host should be retransmitting
that FIN packet once in a while. If the host at the other end is
down, or has been down and come back up, I would expect an ICMP packet
to come along to explain that the connection just isn't there, after
which your side can abort the connection and clean up. But this is
clearly not happening, and here my advice runs dry.
- Harald
One of qmail's defects is that asking qmail-send to stop doesn't do
anything to also stop any qmail-remotes that may be hanging around, and
can't exit until they do so first. You'll have to manually kill them,
or wait until they go away on their own.
Notice also that those are messages heading to hotmail's smtp port, not
messages heading to yours, so stopping or killing your qmail-smtpd
doesn't have any effect.
On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 09:47:14PM +0100, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote:
> - Paul Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> | Hello all, got a new one for qmail 1.03 users everywhere.
> |
> | I've had these connections for about a day now. qmail-qread says these
> | messages are not in the que, and qmail-qstat equalled the number of
> | messages that qmail-qread displayed.
> |
> | I stopped and restarted the qmail-smtpd daemon (im on a RH 5.1 box so I
> | gave it a qmail-smtpd restart. It stopped the tcpserver, supervise, and
> | smtpd daemon... but these guys are still here.
> |
> | Any way of figuring our why they are lingering or how to kill them short
> | of a reboot?
> |
> | BTW... man netstat did not explain the LAST_ACK signal.
> |
> | Thanks!
> |
> | tcp 65 25365 mail.f-tech.net:28934 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
> | LAST_ACK
> | tcp 65 24665 mail.f-tech.net:29812 mail.hotmail.com:smtp
> | LAST_ACK
>
> LAST_ACK is not a signal, it's a TCP state. It means the connection
> is practically closed down, your end is just waiting for the other
> side's ACK of your FIN. Check the TCP connection state diagram in
> figure 6, RFC 793. If hotmail.com generates a lot of connections in
> this state they sure have a problem. I don't know what you can do
> about it, though, as I am no networking expert.
>
> But as far as I can figure out, your host should be retransmitting
> that FIN packet once in a while. If the host at the other end is
> down, or has been down and come back up, I would expect an ICMP packet
> to come along to explain that the connection just isn't there, after
> which your side can abort the connection and clean up. But this is
> clearly not happening, and here my advice runs dry.
Well there's the exact problem. Hotmail filters _all_ ICMP at their firewall.
Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow.. ain't computers neat!
>From what I understand is that qmail-remote is waiting for the close
message? I only have 1 or 2 qmail-remote processes when I ps ax.
In any case... how do I kill a lingering tcp connection?? Sorry, I know
this is not the networking list... but I cringe at the thought of posting
my e-mail address in a newsgoup.
Paul D. Farber II
Farber Technology
717-628-5303
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your TCP/IP stack should eventually give up either due to a timer expiring
or a retry count being exceeded. If they are hanging around forever, then it
has to be a local stack bug right?
(FWIW I see lingering connections on Solaris 2.6 from time to time with
qmail-smtpd - sigh).
Regards.
At 06:44 PM 2/12/99 -0500, Paul Farber wrote:
>Wow.. ain't computers neat!
>
>From what I understand is that qmail-remote is waiting for the close
>message? I only have 1 or 2 qmail-remote processes when I ps ax.
>
>In any case... how do I kill a lingering tcp connection?? Sorry, I know
>this is not the networking list... but I cringe at the thought of posting
>my e-mail address in a newsgoup.
>
>Paul D. Farber II
>Farber Technology
>717-628-5303
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
Just another quick question.
I'm getting a wrong timestamp from a couple of different mailers we
use....but others are correct. The date is correct on my machine, but
it ends up being 5 hours ahead (GMT I presume). Is there a way to fix
that, or does it just have to do with the Particular Mailer?
This one is incorrect (it's NS 4.5 on Linux)
Thanks,
MB
--
Michael Bryan
The Radio Cafe, LLC
http://www.radiocafe.com
Text written by Michael Bryan at 08:33 PM 2/12/99 +0000:
>
>I'm getting a wrong timestamp from a couple of different mailers we
>use....but others are correct. The date is correct on my machine, but
>it ends up being 5 hours ahead (GMT I presume). Is there a way to fix
>that, or does it just have to do with the Particular Mailer?
It is correct for email to be timestamped in GMT, regardless of its point
of origin or destination. This makes tracking the email across different
time zones much easier, especially when trying to spot delays.
In general, each MUA should be configured to know what time zone it's in.
Email messages should all be time-stamped according to GMT and should *not*
bear other time-zone-specific information in them. Then the MUAs should
automagically convert the data in the email to local time and present that
to the user transparently.
Alas, this doesn't always work in practice. Many MUAs don't get it right.
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Kai MacTane
System Administrator
Online Partners.com, Inc.
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>From the Jargon File: (v4.0.0, 25 Jul 1996)
can't happen
The traditional program comment for code executed under a condition
that should never be true, for example a file size computed as
negative ... Although "can't happen" events are genuinely infrequent
in production code, programmers wise enough to check for them habitu-
ally are often surprised at how frequently they are triggered during
development and how many headaches checking for them turns out to
head off.
Hi! I'm using qmail1.03+fastforward 0.51 on linux box..
The setforward manpage says internal forwarding looping are discarded as
below:
------------------------------------------------
DUPLICATES
When fastforward is building the recipient list for a mes�
sage, it keeps track of the recipient addresses and exter�
nal mailing lists it has used. If the same command shows
up again, it skips it. For example:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED];
A message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
only once. (This also means that addresses in an internal
forwarding loop are discarded.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
--------------------------------------------------------------
But when I tested it, it delivered the same mail twice.
Here is my /etc/aliases:
---------------------
haha: hehe, hihi
hehe: jijisa
hihi: jijisa, airheech
----------------------
If I send mail to haha, it should send one copy of mail to jijisa and
airheech as man page said(jijisa is a duplicate recipient. So fastforward
will send a message only one time).
But actually jijisa got two copies....
Any idea?
Thanks,
Heechul
I was thinking that it would be a good thing to come up with a
scripted set of tests to benchmark the following:
1) How many messages/sec can qmail-send handle before it becomes
``serialized''?
2) A plot of max_maildir_deliveries/minute vs pop3d_sessions/minute
In essense, the disk is a bottleneck in two situations:
a) when the disk stores the queue
b) when the disk stores user maildirs
With tests in hand, one would be able to see the gain which
a journaling file system would gain. For example, a sysadmin
would be able to see the gains in throughput which buying
Veritas vxfs would gain vs. buying a SSD for the queue vs.
buying more non-volitile RAM for the RAID the maildirs are
on.
Right now, it's pretty difficult to say "if your avg message
size is <150K on fs X on OS Y version Z, you need 64MB disk
cache on the RAID A holding the maildirs to handle 500
deliveries/sec, as long as you don't get more than B pop3d
sessions, but you're fine using an EIDE drive for the queue."
Obviously you'd need the setup there. But it would be nice
if we all had the same suite of tests which we were benchmarking
hardware configuration with.
Anyone have something like this in their toolbox?
--
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fee for online ordering capabilities or real time processing
transactions.
**Brand New** Phone-Charge Credit Card acceptance program
allows you to accept Visa, MastercardTM, Amex and Discover
any TIME,any WHERE through phone, fax or internet without
the need to purchase or lease expensive credit card equipment.
This brand new program will allow you to accept credit cards
in 24-48 hours after submitting your application.
You simply pick up your telephone, dial a special toll free
800# 24 hrs a day 7 days a week, input a passcode and the
credit card # and receive an immediate authorization over the
phone.
Within 2 days the money is deposited in your bank account. This
is an exciting program for all businesses. Before you spend any
money on a credit card merchant program LOOK at this new program!
We have virtually a 100% approval for most business types
regardless of past credit history!
If you have an interest in learning more about a Merchant Account
for yourself or your business please email your Name, PHONE
NUMBER (Don't forget your area code) and best time to call to:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A representative will return your call within 24hrs.
Or feel free to call us on our 24 hour voicemail at:
1-800-242-0363 Ext:1243
P.S. ALSO AS PART OF A SPECIAL NATIONAL PROMOTION, IF
YOU ACT NOW YOU WILL RECEIVE A FREE ONLINE
STORE WITH SECURE ORDERING CAPABILITIES
TO SELL YOUR PRODUCTS ONLINE!
This offer only applies to U.S. Residents only and some Canadians
with valid U.S. Social Security #'s
World Teknologies Inc.
7210 Jordan Ave.
Canoga Park Ca. 91303
