Hi,

I have seen strange things like  this before when I had a corrupted
queue in qmail.

Bye,

Joost de Niet



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I guess my next question would be on any advice for debugging this
> problem. We can't tell if it's qmail, qmail-scanner, or something else,
> but we can tell that we have a very angry hosting client. :-)
> 
> Aaron Carr wrote:
> 
>> Are you sure it's even caused by the user sending mail?
>>
>> Keep in mind that spammers use tools to generate their email so that they
>> fake the headers to look like "bob" sent the email, when bob (and your
>> mail server) had nothing to do with it.  However, once that email goes to
>> a bad address in the spammers database, it will bounce to whoever the
>> forged sender is (bob in this case).
>>
>> Do they ever get multiple bounces at once?  That's usually a clear sign
>> that their email address was used as the "from:" for an entire run of
>> spam.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>>  
>>
>>> We are running qmail-1.03 on RH7.3 with vpopmail-5.2.1 and
>>> qmail-scanner-1.25. We have an odd problem. It seems that sometimes when
>>> a user sends a mail with a Cc: to himself (and it may also be the To:,
>>> but we don't have an examples), that user sometimes gets a bounce from
>>> our qmail server for an address that the user didn't specify. For
>>> example, let's say that user A sends this email:
>>>
>>> From: bob
>>> To: sam
>>> Cc: bob
>>>
>>> (I did a lot of copy&pasting to ensure I provided a lot of detail. So
>>> please scroll all the way down, thanks!)
>>>
>>> An as a note, the "unintended" recipient will be named
>>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". The unintended recipient appears random though.
>>> Sometimes it may be [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. The addresses look
>>> like fake spammer addresses to me.
>>>
>>> Then every once in a while bob will get this bounce:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:26 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: failure notice
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at server.mydomain.com. I'm
>>> afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>>> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>>>
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> 64.97.131.1 does not like recipient.
>>> Remote host said: 550 RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User unknown Giving
>>> up on 64.97.131.1.
>>>
>>> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>>> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Received: (qmail 15860 invoked by uid 508); 10 Aug 2005 09:26:25 -0000
>>> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Received: (qmail 15857 invoked by uid 532); 10 Aug 2005 09:26:25 -0000
>>> Received: from 66.60.130.50 by server.mydomain.com
>>> (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, uid 501) with
>>> qmail-scanner-1.25
>>> (clamdscan: 0.84/1010. spamassassin: 2.64.
>>> Clear:RC:0(66.60.130.50):SA:0(5.8/6.3):.
>>> Processed in 3.417484 secs); 10 Aug 2005 09:26:25 -0000
>>> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.8 required=6.3
>>> X-Spam-Level: +++++
>>> Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.mc.surewest.net) (66.60.130.50)
>>> by my.ip.ad.rr with SMTP; 10 Aug 2005 09:26:21 -0000
>>> Received: (s3-8911); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:29:24 -0700
>>> Received: from unknown (65.78.187.126)
>>> by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Aug
>>> 2005 02:29:22 -0700
>>> From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'Sam'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Cc: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: RE: How do you mark a call as an EDU?
>>> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:29:35 -0700
>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C59D53.59DFE920"
>>> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
>>> Importance: Normal
>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180
>>> In-Reply-To:
>>> X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=65.78.187.126
>>>
>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Now, here is our smtpd log for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>>
>>> /var/log/qmail/smtpd/:
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /var/log/qmail/smtpd]# grep -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] * |
>>> tai64nlocal
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c8300dbc70fc info msg
>>> 1540461: bytes 3566 from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 15536 uid 532
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c83012eb028c starting
>>> delivery 27931: msg 1540532 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c8320f4f7cac starting
>>> delivery 27935: msg 1540532 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c837008fb31c delivery
>>> 27931: failure:
>>> 64.97.131.1_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_RCPT_TO:<[EMAIL 
>>> PROTECTED]>_User_unknown/Giving_up_on_64.97.131.1./
>>>
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c83736b04074 delivery
>>> 27935: failure:
>>> 64.97.131.1_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_RCPT_TO:<[EMAIL 
>>> PROTECTED]>_User_unknown/Giving_up_on_64.97.131.1./
>>>
>>>
>>> And the send log:
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] send]# grep -i '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' * | tai64nlocal
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c8300dbc70fc info msg
>>> 1540461: bytes 3566 from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 15536 uid 532
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c83012eb028c starting
>>> delivery 27931: msg 1540532 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c8320f4f7cac starting
>>> delivery 27935: msg 1540532 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c837008fb31c delivery
>>> 27931: failure:
>>> 64.97.131.1_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_RCPT_TO:<[EMAIL 
>>> PROTECTED]>_User_unknown/Giving_up_on_64.97.131.1./
>>>
>>> 2005-08-10 05:43:31.066396500.s:@4000000042f9c83736b04074 delivery
>>> 27935: failure:
>>> 64.97.131.1_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_RCPT_TO:<[EMAIL 
>>> PROTECTED]>_User_unknown/Giving_up_on_64.97.131.1./
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, there was a [EMAIL PROTECTED] that we got mail from at some point:
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] qmailscan]# grep -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] qmail-queue.log.1
>>> Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:25:54 CDT:15498: g_e_h: return-path is
>>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", recips is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>>> Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:25:54 CDT:15498: from="Mai Copeland"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,subj=If a relaxing moment turns into the right
>>> moment!,
>>> x-qmail-scanner-message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> via SMTP from 24.42.69.76
>>> Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:25:58 CDT:15498: qmail-scanner:
>>> Clear:RC:0(24.42.69.76):SA:1(9.9/6.3):      4.798779        3145
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]    [EMAIL PROTECTED]      If a relaxing moment
>>> turns into the right moment!
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> 1123665954.15509-0.server.mydomain.com:312
>>> 1123665954.15509-1.server.mydomain.com:1948
>>> orig-server.mydomain.com112366595349315498:3145
>>>
>>> So what's happening here? I can't quite figure it out. It's like qmail
>>> or qmail-scanner or SOMETHING is trying to deliver mail to a recip that
>>> it knew about for a previous email.
>>>
>>> There are two mails in qmailscan/archives/ relating to this particular
>>> email, one for Bob and one for Sam.
>>>
>>>
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