Andrew, The site changes for the new-to-Python person are a big improvement in terms of the sequence of exposures, but from a marketing perspective, the first thing they read about Python is still aimed at a programmer. The bulleted points in BeginnersGuide/Overview are, again, things that are important to programmers ("Automatic garbage collection frees you from the hassles of memory management" means nothing to me, even now after reading a Python book and several tutorials).
I wish there were some sort of sexy exposure to Python before hitting them with the download. Again you purport to be making a page for someone who's never programmed before, so almost certainly a Windows user. And a Windows user is not going to download any program until he's absolutely sure it won't destabilize his fragile system or infect it. So nobody new to programming and new to Python is going to download at the point you present them with that opportunity. Too bad there isn't something like what Ruby does with the "Try Ruby In Your Browser" thing, which is a very effective marketing tool (although obviously I chose Python). http://tryruby.hobix.com/ The other thing I vividly recall struggling with was: Do I download this Python.org version for my Windows XP machine, because it's the official one, or do I use the one from ActiveState because others say it comes with all sorts of goodies for Windows users? I don't know what the politics are there, but if I were you I'd take a stand and put it on the download page to help the new person out, who is uncertain about what to do. Ultimately I downloaded ActiveState because I found their site easier to understand (again speaking as a person relatively new to programming and absolutely new to Python). Thanks, rpd "I read part of it all the way through."--Samuel Goldwyn www.dooling.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list