Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 2005-11-04, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>Antoon Pardon wrote: >> >>>Op 2005-11-04, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>[...] >> >>>>I suppose ultimately I'm just more pragmatic than you. >>> >>> >>>It has nothing to do with being more pragmatic. Being pragmatic >>>is about how you handle things with real life projects. It has >>>little to do with the degree in which you agree with the design >>>of the tool you have to work with. I would say I am more pragmatic >>>than most defenders of python, because when it comes done to >>>do my work, I just use python as best as I can, while a lot >>>of people here seem to think that every little criticism I have >>>is enough to go and look for a different language. >>> >> >>No, being pragmatic is to do with accepting what is rather than wasting >>time wishing it were otherwise, > > > Just accepting what is, is not pragmatic. Not much progress would have > been made if we just accepted what is. > Pragmatically, I accept that whatever I say you are likely to respond with a nit-picking argument. Pragmatically I accept this situation for what it is. This does not stop me imagining a world where our dialogues are about meaningful issues rather than whether a particular facet of Python's design is "unsane". Pragmatically I accept that such a world is likely to exist only in my imagination. > >>particularly when the "insane" behavior >>was actually a deliberate design choice. Which is why it doesn't work >>the same as non-local references in nested scopes. > > > That b.a = b.a + 2 > > works as a result of a design choice, that I can accept. > > But IMO b.a += 2, working as it does, is more the result of > earlier design and implementation decisions than it was > a deliberate design decision. > You are wrong.
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