On 12/19/2022 3:34 PM, j wrote:
I was unclear. I use the full path to the folder with the unzipped
python-embedded. I shouldn't have said 'set'.
I have complained on here before about broken installs but got
indifference. An installer should install stuff correctly (leaving a
working environment). If it won't then give clear instructions on how to
install manually then let us do it. A broken installer is like a road
that just runs out.
Yes, I've had a few of those, just not with Python so far. One problem
with a list like this is that if other people don't have the problem or
can't make it happen, then they don't have any suggestions based on
personal experience. So they can't be helpful. In this issue, I'm in
that category.
In that situation, we (the list-people, I mean) need good information to
have a chance of being helpful. But I've observed that many requestors
for help like this - especially installation issues - don't provide any
useful particulars. That makes it seem like they don't understand what
they are doing, and folks would like them to do their homework and think
about what it would take for other people to have a chance of helping.
Would you try to cook a meal, and then say "I followed the recipe and it
didn't work, please help"? It's impossible. But I've seen this kind of
question over and over on this list.
I did once have a Python installation problem. The installed Python
executable worked, but later I ran into some permissions problem. I had
installed for "everyone", so it installed into Program Files, and
apparently somewhere along the way I had done something odd to the
permissions for that directory. I was never sure what. I uninstalled,
and since then I have always installed new versions for just one user
(me). Never a problem since.
I'm sorry to say that I have never tried an embedded install, and I
don't know what's different about one. Maybe I'll try one now, just to
know.
Dismissals about 'lazy people' (for example) aren't helpful if you are
trying to get some actual work done.
Yes, that's true. Lack of clear information isn't helpful, either.
Well this is getting too long, and not directly helping with any of your
problems. I hope it may be informative for others who want to ask for
help. To be able to help someone, I have to understand just what they
were trying to do, what they did, what happened that caused them to
think their efforts failed, and what error messages the system emitted.
That may not be enough either, but it's a required starting point.
Without this kind of information, people who want to help feel frustrated.
jan
On 19/12/2022 17:55, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 12/19/2022 12:28 PM, j via Python-list wrote:
I agree. Wasted too much time on last few installs.
It got to the point I downloaded python-embedded, unzipped it and set
the path manually for my work (needed it as part of a compiler).
I don't set those paths. If you have several different versions
installed, who knows which one the path will find first? Probably not
the one you want. Without paths to the script files, I need to set
them temporarily, navigate to to the right directory first, or create
a dedicated batch file, but at least I get the right ones that way.
I don't find it to be a problem.
It ain't good enough. And I like python.
jan
On 18/12/2022 11:50, Jim Lewis wrote:
I'm an occasional user of Python and have a degree in computer science.
Almost every freaking time I use Python, I go through PSH (Python Setup
Hell). Sometimes a wrong version is installed. Sometimes it's a path
issue.
Or exe naming confusion: python, python3, phthon311, etc. Or library
compatibility issues - took an hour to find out that pygame does not
work
with the current version of python. Then the kludgy PIP app and
using a DOS
box under Windows with command prompts which is ridiculous. God only
knows
how many novice users of the language (or even intermediate users) were
lost in the setup process. Why not clean the infrastructure up and
make a
modern environment or IDE or something better than it is now. Or at
least
good error messages that explain exactly what to do. Even getting this
email to the list took numerous steps.
-- A frustrated user
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