Michael,
A reasonable question. Python lets you initialize variables but has no
explicit declarations. Languages differ and I juggle attributes of many in
my mind and am reacting to the original question NOT about whether and how
Python should report many possible errors all at once but how ANY language
can be expected to do this well. Many others do have a variable declaration
phase or an optional declaration or perhaps just a need to declare a
function prototype so it can be used by others even if the formal function
creation will happen later in the code.
But what I meant in a Python context was something like this:
Wronk = who cares # this should fail
...
If (Wronk > 5): ...
...
Wronger = Wronk + 1
...
X = minimum(Wronk, Wronger, 12)
The first line does not parse well so you have an error. But in any case as
the line makes no sense, Wronk is not initialized to anything. Later code
may use it in various ways and some of those may be seen as errors for an
assortment of reasons, then at one point the code does provide a value for
Wronk and suddenly code beyond that has no seeming errors. The above
examples are not meant to be real but just give a taste that programs with
holes in them for any reason may not be consistent. The only relatively
guaranteed test for sanity has to start at the top and encounter no errors
or missing parts based on an anything such as I/O errors.
And I suggest there are some things sort of declared in python such as:
Import numpy as np
Yes, that brings in code from a module if it works and initializes a
variable called np to sort of point at the module or it's namespace or
whatever, depending on the language. It is an assignment but also a way to
let the program know things. If the above is:
Import grumpy as np
Then what happens if the code tries to find a file named "grumpy" somewhere
and cannot locate it and this is considered a syntax error rather than a
run-time error for whatever reason? Can you continue when all kinds of
functionality is missing and code asking to make a np.array([1,2,3]) clearly
fails?
Many of us here are talking past each other.
Yes, it would be nice to get lots of info and arguably we may eventually
have machine-learning or AI programs a bit more like SPAM detectors that
look for patterns commonly found and try to fix your program from common
errors or at least do a temporary patch so they can continue searching for
more errors. This could result in the best case in guessing right every
time. If you allowed it to actually fix your code, it might be like people
who let their spelling be corrected and do not proofread properly and send
out something embarrassing or just plain wrong!
And it will compile or be interpreted without complaint albeit not do
exactly what it is supposed to!
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From: Python-list <python-list-bounces+avi.e.gross=gmail....@python.org> On
Behalf Of Michael F. Stemper
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 9:22 AM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: What to use for finding as many syntax errors as possible.
On 09/10/2022 10.49, Avi Gross wrote:
> Anton
>
> There likely are such programs out there but are there universal
> agreements on how to figure out when a new safe zone of code starts
> where error testing can begin?
>
> For example a file full of function definitions might find an error in
> function 1 and try to find the end of that function and resume
> checking the next function. But what if a function defines local
functions within it?
> What if the mistake in one line of code could still allow checking the
> next line rather than skipping it all?
>
> My guess is that finding 100 errors might turn out to be misleading.
> If you fix just the first, many others would go away. If you spell a
> variable name wrong when declaring it, a dozen uses of the right name may
cause errors.
> Should you fix the first or change all later ones?
How does one declare a variable in python? Sometimes it'd be nice to be able
to have declarations and any undeclared variable be flagged.
When I was writing F77 for a living, I'd (temporarily) put:
IMPLICIT CHARACTER*3
at the beginning of a program or subroutine that I was modifying, in order
to have any typos flagged.
I'd love it if there was something similar that I could do in python.
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