On 2021-01-13 at 21:41:26 -0600, Python <pyt...@bladeshadow.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:27:19PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:11 PM Python <pyt...@bladeshadow.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 06:43:39PM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > > > > And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window > > > > managers configured window placement. Application code should not care > > > > about or try to control window geometry. Period. > > > > > > I think this is just plain wrong. > > As a side note, from a purely technical standpoint, Grant's point is > demonstrably factually false. A GUI application necessarily must > "care about or try to control window geometry" so that if the user > moves or resizes the application, enables or disables additional > widgets, etc., the widgets it contains are redrawn such that they > remain usable, possibly expanding the canvas they're drawn on or > adding new GUI elements like scrollbars to ensure that (at least it > does if it wants to be useful) ... A GUI application must care about the geometry (to react to changes made by the user or the window manager). OTOH, if I (the user) request a 80x24 character terminal window with a certain size glyph, and I get a terminal that isn't 80x24 and that glyph size, then at least one of the application, the window manager, or some other library is broken. Period. Go ahead, tell me, the *user*, that I shouldn't do that, or that I should reconsider my use case, or that such a request is too demanding for a modern computer system to honor. See also Extended Window Manager Hints,¹ with the emphasis on *hints*. > ... GUI frameworks may provide a core that automatically handles this > for you, but that is not always the case (as an extreme example, if > you're writing the whole app from scratch in assembly language) ... Define "from scratch." Why does the language in which I'm writing my application matter? ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Window_Manager_Hints -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
