On 23/07/2020 20:39, Christian Heimes wrote:
On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes <christ...@python.org> wrote:
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would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
@python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
conference advertisement list.
+1 (see later)
I, OTOH, am unperturbed.
+1
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I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the
other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than
subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very
convenient.
+1
(and make a note to follow-up afterwards, because many PyCons post
videos of the presentations - not as good as being-there, but less
expensive than an RtW air-ticket!)
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I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.
Agreed:
There is a difference between announcing conference details, and selling
'stuff' to attendees.
(I don't know: but would a non-attendee buy the t-shirt?)
python.org has a dedicated conference mailing list for conference
related announcements. Additional to general conferen...@python.org
EuroPython has 2 (in words *TWO*) additional mailing lists for
announcements and discussions (europyt...@python.org,
europython-annou...@python.org).
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Agreed
However, "This mailing list is a general discussion list for the Python
programming language" and per earlier reply, advice of a conference
holds general interest (as well) - and is an encouragement to other
PyCons (organisers) around the world.
Were we to ban EuroPython, would we also have to take a stand against
beginners posting basic questions (given that there is a specific Tutor
list)?
"General" means nothing-specific (as anyone in the military can tell you)!
In truth, I did delete many of these msgs after a cursory scan of their
content (cf reading).
Some people have replied to me in private because they did not dare to
speak out against a prominent member of the Python community in public.
At least one person has followed up with Code Of Conduct working group
because they are annoyed by the spam.
Like the decision to use vim or emacs, this topic can generate a lot of
heat and emotion. Is there room for both? (and for 'modern IDEs')
The "dare not speak out" is sad - both for the individuals and/or the
organisation. Wither "inclusion" and "tolerance"?
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