On 09/06/2018 07:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:06:22 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 09/06/2018 12:42 PM, Reto Brunner wrote:
What do you think the link, which is attached to every email you
receive from the list, is for? Listinfo sounds very promising, doesn't
it?
And if you actually go to it you'll find: "To unsubscribe from
Python-list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription
options enter your subscription email address"
So how about you try that?
Reto, your response is inappropriate. If you can't be kind and/or
respectful, let someone else respond.
No it wasn't inappropriate, and your attack on Reto is uncalled for.
It was inappropriate, and I wasn't attacking Reto.
Reto's answer was kind and infinitely more respectful than your
unnecessary criticism. As far as I can tell, this is Reto's first post
here. After your hostile and unwelcoming response, I wouldn't be
surprised if it was his last.
His answer was both helpful and an *amazingly* restrained and kind
response to a stupid question[1] asked by somebody claiming to be an
professional software engineer. It was not condescending or mean-
spirited, as you said in another post, nor was it snarky.
Wow. I suddenly feel like I'm running for political office to get hit
with such a distortion of facts.
But even had the OP been a total beginner to computing, it was still a
helpful response containing the information needed to solve their
immediate problem (how to unsubscribe from the list) with just the
*tiniest* (and appropriate) hint of reproach to encourage them to learn
how to solve their own problems for themselves so that in future, they
will be a better contributor to whatever discussion forums they might
find themselves on.
Yes, there was some helpful content. That doesn't excuse the manner of
delivery.
Ethan, you are a great contributor on many of the Python mailing lists,
but your tone-policing is inappropriate, and your CoC banning of Rick and
Bart back in July was an excessive and uncalled for misuse of moderator
power.
Mailing lists consists of two things: content and tone, and both are
equally important. I volunteered to be a moderator for Python List as
it felt to me like the existing moderators were overwhelmed by the sheer
volume of this list, and a few bad actors were making this venue an
unpleasant place to be.
To my shame, I didn't say anything at the time, but I won't be
intimidated any longer by fear of the CoC and accusations of incivility.
I'm speaking up now because your reply to Reto is unwelcoming, unhelpful
and disrespectful, and coming from a moderator who has been known to ban
people, that makes it even more hostile.
Actually, you did say something at the time:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list
What I find most interesting in this post, though, is your declaration
"I won't be intimidated any longer by fear of the CoC" -- it doesn't
strike me as a scary document; it basically says, "be nice".
[1] Yes, there are such things as stupid questions. If your doctor asked
you "remind me again, which end of the needle goes into your arm?" what
would you do?
I would laugh, because he would be joking.
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~Ethan~
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