On 06/17/2018 10:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Jim Lee <jle...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/17/2018 05:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Jim Lee <jle...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/17/2018 02:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
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My apologies, stuff wrapped and I misread as I skimmed back. You were
the one who used the word "shoehorned". In the same way, that sounds
like you already knew the language, and then someone added extra
features that don't fit. It's not shoehorning if the feature was
already there before you met the language.
The point is the same, the citation incorrect. Mea culpa.
ChrisA
Of course it is "shoehorning". Why do you care when I started using the
language? Shoehorning implies an attempt to add a feature that didn't
exist
in the original design - a feature that is a difficult, awkward, or
ill-fitting complement to the original design. Whether it happened
yesterday or 12 years ago is immaterial. When I personally met the
language
is also immaterial.
Microsoft "shoehorned" a Linux subsystem into Windows. I don't even use
Windows, yet by your logic, I can't call it "shoehorning".
Or maybe that's an indication of a change in design goals. Python's
original goal was to be very similar to C, and thus had a lot of
behaviours copied from C; up until Python 2.2, the default 'int' type
would overflow if it exceeded a machine word. Were long integers
shoehorned into the design, or does it indicate that the design was
modified to welcome them?
Personally, I think the Linux subsystem is (a) no different from (but
converse to) Wine, and (b) a good stepping-stone towards a Windows
release using a Unix kernel.
ChrisA
I say: "frobnitz was broken".
You say: "you can't call frobnitz broken because it was broken before you
found out it was broken".
I say: "foo is bad".
You say: "foo is no different than bar (except it's the opposite), and might
eventually be like baz (which doesn't exist)."
Hard to argue with that kind of...umm...logic. :)
That isn't what I said, and you know it. I said that you can't decry
changes that were before your time (they're simply the way things
are). My comments about the Linux subsystem are parenthetical.
ChrisA
Really? Wow. I'd hate to live in your world! Just because something
exists, it can't be challenged or questioned. Got it!
-Jim
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