In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >What are frameworks really good for - a very true success story. > >A colleague of mine used to spread all kinds of flags ( state- and >property markers ) over the code that were used to glue everything >together until I raised my tyranny of frameworks. It was a hard >struggle for an OO warrier and took me almost a year or so to become >the undebated projects architect/dictator who trashed all kind of >misguided "freedom" ( i.e. bad code ): "What the fuck is this?" "I >worked almost a week on it!" "It has to be reworked." "No, you don't do >it!" I did it. Who claims that social life is easy? What is nice about >this kind of cruelness is not only my colleague became finally happy >and hopefully learned at least a little bit about programming but also >our customers were gratefull about stable code, thight release >schedules and just-in-time requirement dispatch. Now we have some >bread-and-butter maintenance contract and true freedom to experiment >with other more interesting things besides this. But the struggle just >starts again with the new project ;) . . . Kay, please say that over again (I recognize you've heard that from me before). Are you saying that your colleague misapplied your chosen framework by programming too much OUTside the frame- work, and the global flags were a symptom of that? So is your conclusion that framework use takes non-trivial education? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list