On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:26:21 PM UTC+12, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:11:39 PM UTC+12, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> I have some _extremely_ strong views about absolutes (they come from the
>>> Creator of the Universe) ...
>>
>> By “Universe” do you mean “everything that exists”? So if the Creator
>> exists, then the Creator, too, must be part of the Universe.
>>
>> So whoever created the Universe also created the Creator...
> 
> No, God isn't part of the universe, any more than an author is part of
> his novel.

So if “Universe” does not mean “everything that exists”, then there would be 
things that exist, that God did not create...
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