[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Björn Lindström) writes: > I don't see why the things you talk about would have to be part of the > main Python distribution. Ruby on Rails seems to do pretty well without > being included with the core language.
I haven't used Ruby on Rails but from the description I saw, its distro includes everything needed, which I assume includes Ruby itself. > There's already a pretty successful programming framework for Python > (Zope), and I don't see why people wouldn't be able to put something > like that together to compete on more equal terms with Ruby on Rails, or > Delphi, &c. I have the impression that Zope is ungodly complex, and revolves around a weird and nonstandard database instead of having an SQL interface. > If you want the whole of the Python community to start developing stuff > for one particular GUI toolkit, I think you'll have much more success by > just making a really good GUI toolkit, than trying to force people to > use it by standardising it. (Which I think is shown by the proliferation > of GUI toolkits other than Tkinter.) Actually that proliferation is one of the culprits in Python being a pain to deal with. I'm personally not a GUI fetishist and Tkinter has been good enough for the client-side GUI's I've needed to write (I'm more web-oriented most of the time). But the reason for that proliferation is other people are dissatisfied with Tkinter. That by itself says the stdlib is lacking. > In short, when you have your one-click-install Pythonic IDE > extravaganza, I'm sure people will download it, whether or not they can > do it on python.org. There's already a Python IDE (Idle) included with the Python distro; its problem is that its limited in functionality and it's buggy. Anyway, I'm a Python user, not an evangelist. As a user I'm happy to have Python and am thankful to its authors, even though (like anything else) it's a long way from being perfect. But I do get annoyed by evangelists who make unsupportable claims that the product doesn't live up to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
