>Without the traceback for the first error Hello Peter...
There was no traceback to the first error - in none of the cases the error appeared was a traceback present. I just found the error - the configuration of pygtk mentioned right in the middle somewhere that the atk version wasn't up-to-date, but did not signal any error at the end... Installed&compiled a newer atk and recompiled pygtk and that part seems ok. I'd suggest to the pygtk people to change their message at the end of the configure to something like: gtk yes atk no pango yes That way there would be a positive indication at the end that something was amiss. Thanks Peter! John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list