On 19/11/2015 22:41, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Thu, 19 Nov 2015 22:57:10 +0200, Marko Rauhamaa writes:
Note: Ned Bachelder (who is probably reading this on python-list anyway added cc on this mail, as if I am to discuss somebody, however briefly, they deserve to hear about it. Which may irritate him to get 2 copies instead of one, but so it goes. I am talking about BartC as well, but since this is his thread, I assume he is here.)
Actually that thread was started by 'fl'.
Sometimes you want to understand what you are doing. Sometimes you just want to do it. And sometimes, well, the only real way to get an understanding of what you are doing is to do it more. This is, in my opinion, Bartc's problem. He doesn't program in python enough to understand it more.
That's true. I'll have to do a substantial project soon. But a lot of my interest is about comparisons between Python and the languages I work on.
(Especially of speed. Up to now my interpreters have been comfortably faster. But with PyPy I might now have do do a bit more work on mine next year. This is where a proper application is needed for comparison and not small benchmarks.)
I'm also interested in what handy features I can 'borrow' from Python. Enough that I was planning a big upgrade earlier this year to bring it more into line with how Python works. (/That/ is a good way of learning about a language! To try and implement a lookalike.)
But that was changing my language too much (I was losing too many features of my own) so it was abandoned. (Perhaps it can be a separate, higher level language at some point as I quite like the Python style even if I have misgivings about some features.)
They have the opposite problem of BartC -- they want to be excellent programmers without understanding anything, while he wants to understand everything before he knows how to write decent python code.
I can already tell you that I will never be able to write 'Pythonic' code if that is what you mean by 'decent'. But at least everyone will be able to understand it!
-- Bartc -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
