On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 3:39:02 PM UTC-5, Laura Creighton wrote: > I think kivy is doing a very nice job of python-on-the-mobile. > Have you looked? Please do not rant at me, just tell me what you > think.
Hello Laura, I'm not sure if you're replying to me (as there is no quoted context) but since you mentioned "rant" i "suppose" that you could be referring be me? I mean, i don't know what gave you the impression that i would rant at anyone? But don't worry dear, i've always self-censored my rants when females are listening -- oops, gonna get some flac for that comment! O:-) First off. I don't remember seeing you here before. So allow me to say that having a female presence in this group is quite refreshing. I hope you continue to participate! Also, I have a lot to say on this subject, and most of what i say below is intended as a "general response", so please don't take any of my words as a personal attack. Thanks. ============================================================ Regarding Kivy ============================================================ I was not aware of this project until you mentioned it. However, i'm skeptical because: (1) it will suffer from latency issues, especially on the mobile platforms, and (2) but even if not, i feel projects like this are only encouraging the stagnation of our evolution towards multi-device compatibility. ============================================================ The road to enlightenment is paved with introspection ============================================================ For the last few decades we have been consumed with the task of bringing multi-platform-ism to every language or API or software or whatever. And this was a noble pursuit indeed! HOWEVER, We are now moving into a new age. Not of cross-platform-ism (where we want to write code *ONCE* and have it run on Linux, Windows, and Mac) but were we want to write code *ONCE* and have it run on a desktop, or a notebook, or a phone, or a watch, or a refrigerator, or even a HUD in our spaceship! I believe it's high time that we move away from religious ideologies codified in "selfish syntaxes" and "selfish interfaces". Because, we seek out these segregating policies just so we can say "hey, we're different", when in reality, we're all the same underneath. For example: printing to stdout is printing to stdout -> no matter what syntax you choose to use. Likewise, iterating over a collection of items, or creating an object that implements the OOP paradigm, or writing a stream into a storage medium -> the fundamentals of these concepts do not change simply by plastering them with selfish identities. Neither is the concept of a GUI window any different if that window was created in Windows, Linux, or Mac. I could provide example after example (ad nauseum) of how we're creating these selfish syntaxes and selfish interface, but i think you get the point. This "need to fulfill" the underlying selfish desires that we, as humans harbor, is preventing us (as programmers, software engineers, hardware producers, and most importantly -> end users) from reaching computing Nirvana. No programmer should ever need to re-write the same code numerous times so that it can run on multiple devices. We, are injecting needless superfluity into this system. And for no more reason than our need to fulfill selfish desires! Why are we *NOT* working together to create a single, linear, and scaleable system of producing software, A system that compiles all the best ideas, and throws the remainder into the refuse bin of history. The only system i've seen that has made *ANY* attempt (as feeble as it may be) is DHTML. But even with it's modern look and feel, it lacks the necessary hooks into the diverse platforms to get any "real work" done. However, utilizing the Trojan horse of "browser ubiquity", and expanding on it, may be much less work than rebuilding the entire system from the ground up (something to ponder...) Most of what we're doing, in the programming language design field, is fighting over who's version of "superficial CSS" is going to be the official version. Our partisan efforts are merely adolescent accessorizing. But we lack the introspective ability to notice the vanity and futility of our efforts. If you want to know why i rant so much, it's because i'm both saddened and angry that we waste our time on these petty battles. When, in fact, we could achieve greatness by working towards a common goal. ============================================================ Utopia's eventually fail Rick! ============================================================ I'm aware of that! I'm aware that "conflict" is the invisible force that breathes life into the cogs of evolution. But your superficial understanding of my proposal is not a failure of my proposal. ON THE CONTRARY! For example. We can *ALL* remember how every cell phone manufacture had their own selfish implementation of a charging port. Heck, every time you bought a new phone, you would be forced to buy a corresponding charger. Did not matter that your old changer was still working fine, or if the power output was exactly the same. NOPE! If the port did not match the plug, then you were screwed -- which means you were screwed 99% of the time! Heck, i have dozens of old chargers in my closet. Each one either has a different plug, or a different power output. And landfills are seething with them. Thankfully, at some point, most manufacturers switched to micro USB (possibly from governmental regulation???) and the charging routine of many cell phone users have been joyful since. *NOW*, i can borrow a friends charger if my battery level becomes low. *NOW*, i can buy a charger from *ANY* manufacture. This is freedom. And this is how we remove superfluously injected selfishness from our systems! Which is the very point i'm trying to make about our multi- device problem. We have willfully injected superfluity into our system of software creation, and as a result, we are wasting precious time fitting square blocks into round holes when we would could spend that time solving newer, more complex problems. Changing the world <-> instead of chewing the cud! I'm not sure if an authority will need to step in and regulate this blatant and infantile selfishness, or if we, as active members, and thus, guilty by association, will take the necessary steps to move ourselves towards the linear path to software engineering Nirvana. A system that is designed from the ground up to produce the best software, in the least amount of time. A system that not only rewards creativity, productivity, and pragmatic necessity, but a system that is designed to foster it; to cradle it; to nurture it. That is my dream. And the status quo is our collective nightmare! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
