Seymore4Head wrote: > Those string errors were desperate attempts to fix the "append" error > I didn't understand.
Ah, the good ol' "make random changes to the code until the error goes away" technique. You know that it never works, right? Start by *reading the error message*, assuming you're getting an error message. I'm the first person to admit that Python's error messages are not always as clear as they should be, especially syntax errors, but still there is a lot of information that can be gleamed from most error messages. Take this attempt to use append: py> mylist.append(23) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'mylist' is not defined That tells me that I have forgotten to define a variable mylist. So I fix that: py> mylist = 23 py> mylist.append(23) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'append' That tells me that I can't append to a int. After googling for "Python append" I learn that I can append to a list, so I try again: py> mylist = [] py> mylist.append(23) py> print(mylist) [23] Success! If you are familiar with other programming languages, it might help to think of append() as being like a procedure in Pascal, for example. You call append() with an argument, but don't expect a return result. Technically, *all* functions and methods in Python return something, even if just the special value None, which can lead to "Gotchas!" like this one: py> mylist = mylist.append(42) # Don't do this! py> print(mylist) # I expect [23, 42] but get None instead. None Oops. One of the small annoyances of Python is that there is no way to tell ahead of time, except by reading the documentation, whether something is a proper function that returns a useful value, or a procedure-like function that returns None. That's just something you have to learn. The interactive interpreter is your friend. Learn to experiment at the interactive interpreter -- you do know how to do that, don't you? If not, ask. At the interactive interpreter, if a function or method returns a value, it will be printed, *except for None*. So a function that doesn't print anything might be procedure-like, and one which does print something might not be: py> mylist = [1, 5, 2, 6, 4, 3] py> sorted(mylist) # proper function returns a value [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] py> mylist.sort() # procedure-like function returns None py> print(mylist) # and modifies the list in place [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
