On Tuesday 08 April 2014 10:52:39 Larry Martell did opine: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:07 AM, James Brewer <ja...@brwr.org> wrote: > > I'm sure there will be a substantial amount of arrogance perceived > > from this question, but frankly I don't think that I have anything to > > learn from my co-workers, which saddens me because I really like to > > learn and I know that I have a lot of learning to do. > > > > I've been employed as a software engineer for about eight months now > > and I feel like I haven't learned nearly as much as I should. Sure, > > I've picked up little tidbits of information here and there, but I'm > > no more confident in my ability to build anything more complex than a > > basic crud app than I was the day I started. > > I don't know where you work, but there are all sorts of different > working environments. I've been at this for 35 years and I think I've > seen most of them. I've worked at places where: > Ditto, but make it 65 years in electronics for me.
> -People were afraid you'll take their job and they won't answer > questions or spend time to bring you up to speed on the company's > systems A minor pet peeve I don't generally tolerate, I relocate. > -People who you're working with either were against hiring you or were > not involved in the hiring process and won't work with you. Not been a huge problem unless the place was unionized. > > -People are on crazy deadlines and have no time to work with you. > Typical sales force. They don't see a single problem when it takes expensive parts to fix, except they won't authorize that P.O. It generally takes a while for them to get the message about the cost of doing business. In my time, I change two general managers above me because of that. > -People have tried to work with you, but don't want to anymore because > ______ (fill in the blank: you're arrogant, you're stupid, you smell, > you don't learn fast enough for them, you like the Yankees and they're > a Red Sox fan, ....) You mean there are fans besides steelers fans? > > -People make you feel like an idiot when you ask a question and they > intimidate you so you don't come back and ask more. That generally only happens a couple times, I am good at making them eat their words. > -The culture requires some 'trial by fire' where you stand up to > people and/or make it known you're not going away and won't take crap > from anyone. Absolutely, you cannot assert yourself any other way. And if you do it in front of the owner, he is your friend for life. > -The new hire sits around and waits for things to happen instead > making things happen themselfs. Where I may sit around when not fixing something, but I am watching for repetitive operations that can better be handled by pushing a few buttons on a micro panel so they can go get a cuppa, it will be done perfectly when they come back. Then I start coding. It took me 6 months as I had to make most of the hardware too, but the first such project I made for a tv station was still in use 15 years later, written in assembly without an assembler and full of self modifying code, only crashed when a power failure outlasted the backup battery, and another I made for the last station I was at was only retired when a $250,000 video switcher was retired, about 14 years. > -There is absolutely nothing interesting going on at the company - no > new development, no hard bugs to track down - and the people they work > there are lazy and slothy, just marking time until they can retire. Those sorts don't normally last till retirement age at a tv station. Caught out enough times and the room will be given to someone who can produce. TV broadcasting is a very competitive field. > -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your > questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you. A utopia very few will ever find. > Do any of these apply to your situation? See above. This is what you might get when you ask the question. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
