On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamore...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > To clarify the situation I think we should call __new__ "the thing that > instanciates an instance of a class" and __init__ "the thing that isn't > actually needed as you can add attributes to an instance anywhere in your > code" :)
With a typical class layout, you have something like this: class Foo: def __init__(self, some, other, args): self.stuff=some+other, other+args def roll(self, arg): ret,keep=self.stuff self.stuff=keep,arg return ret This has an invariant: it always has a two-item tuple in self.stuff. The job of __init__ is to get the class invariants straight. Before it's called, you can't safely call anything else, because all those other parts of the class are written on the assumption that __init__ will be called first. This is a fairly common way of laying out a class, and it fits pretty much any language. So what is __new__ and what is __init__? The former is the thing you rarely need, and when you do, you can go fiddle with the docs if necessary; the latter is the most obvious place to guarantee invariants. Whatever you call them, they'll both be called before pretty much anything else in the class is, barring weirdnesses, which is something you cannot depend on with other methods. Yes, you can add attributes anywhere, but you shouldn't need this: f = Foo() f.setup(12,23,34) Instead, use this: f = Foo(12,23,34) And then there's no way to accidentally muck something up and have a Foo that breaks its invariants. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list