> "Java" as a term means different things to different people,
Agreed. Python is similar in this respect - it's common to refer to cPython here as Python, for example. > but I expect most would think of the core language and its > standard library first and the JRE/JVM second. So saying "the > problem of X is Java" when you really mean "the problem of X > in platform Y is Sun's JVM in Y" is kinda misleading. Obviously I wouldn't agree :) The discussion here is about Java from a user's POV, not a programmer (because we are using a Java application to program in Python), and from the user's POV, the JRE/JVM is what is important, not the language. Much the same as a programmer who is using an IDE written in Python to program in some other language would really only care about how the Python VM performs. > Disclaimer: I am neither Java's not Eclipse's advocate; I'll > choose python over Java any day, but let's put the blame > where it is due. If there isn't a good VM for the OS that the vast majority of computers use, then the language has a problem, IMO. Having a great language spec is one thing, but it's not really much use without a good implementation. It would be interesting to know which JRE the Eclipse advocates are using, and which the people that dislike Eclipse are using... =Tony.Meyer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
