On 10/5/2013 11:58 AM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/05/2013 05:49 AM, macker wrote:
Ugly, menial lines are a clue that a function to hide it could be
useful.
Or a clue to add a trivial change elsewhere (hint for Ethan: `return
self` at the end of `Thread.start()`).
I'm aware that would solve your issue. I'm also aware that Python
rarely does a 'return self' at the end of methods.
Not returning self is a basic design principle of Python since its
beginning. (I am not aware of any exceptions and would regard one as
possibly a mistake.) Guido is aware that not doing so prevents chaining
of mutation methods. He thinks it very important that people know and
remember the difference between a method that mutates self and one that
does not. Otherwise, one could write 'b = a.sort()' and not know
(remember) that b is just an alias for a. He must have seen this type of
error, especially in beginner code, in other languages before designing
Python.
> Since that probably isn't going to change,
as it would only make things worse.
Note that some mutation methods also return something useful other than
default None. Examples are mylist.pop() and iterator.__next__ (usually
accessed by next(iterator)*. So it is impossible for all mutation
methods to just 'return self'.
* iterator.__next__ is a generalized specialization of list.pop. It can
only return the 'first' item, but can do so with any iterable, including
those that are not ordered and those that represent virtual rather than
concrete collections.
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