On 9/5/2013 12:37 PM, jsri...@gmail.com wrote:
I am going through the tutorials on docs.python.org, and I came across this 
excerpt from http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/controlflow.html:

"The execution of a function introduces a new symbol table used for the local 
variables of the function. More precisely, all variable assignments in a function 
store the value in the local symbol table; whereas variable references first look in 
the local symbol table, then in the local symbol tables of enclosing functions, then 
in the global symbol table, and finally in the table of built-in names. Thus, global 
variables cannot be directly assigned a value within a function (unless named in a 
global statement), although they may be referenced.

"The actual parameters (arguments) to a function call are introduced in the 
local
symbol table of the called function when it is called; thus, arguments are 
passed
using call by value (where the value is always an object reference, not the 
value
of the object). [1] When a function calls another function, a new local symbol
table is created for that call."

Even as a professional programmer, I'm not really able to follow this.  It 
seems self-contradictory, amgiguous, and incomplete.  The problem with looking 
for this information elsewhere is that it's not going to be all in one spot 
like this half the time, and it's not going to be readily searchable on Google 
without more knowledge of what it's referring to.  However this looks like 
something that's too important to overlook.

The only incompleteness is that 'global statememt' should be 'global or nonlocal statement'.

I can tell it's referring to things like scope, pass-by-value, references, 
probably the call stack, etc., but it is written extremely poorly.  Translation 
please?  Thanks!

Without knowing your personal language, translating into a language you would understand is an impossible task. I would replace 'variable' with 'name', 'symbol table' with 'nmespace', 'call by object reference value' with 'call by object', and 'global' with 'modular'. Maybe that helps you, maybe it confuses you more.

The importance thing you must understand is that Python is an object-based language and that calling a function (like assignment statement in general) does not copy the argument objects.

I suggest that you study the behavior of actual examples both in the tutorial and ones you make up. If you are actually baffled by some behavior, ask a spedific question.

PS. Try not to double post.

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Terry Jan Reedy

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