On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Antoon Pardon <antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote: > Op 21-06-13 04:40, Ian Kelly schreef: > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Antoon Pardon >> <antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote: >>> There are two problems with your reasoning. The first is that you >>> are equivocating on "expect". "Expect" can mean you will be surprised >>> if it doesn't happen but it can also mean you will feel indignant or >>> disappointed or something similar when it doesn't happen. >> >> Perhaps I am, but it doesn't change my argument in any way. When a >> troll shows up I am not happy about it, but I am not disappointed >> either, because Trolls Happen. I am disappointed when members of the >> community act in ways that are detrimental to the community. Better? > > But that last one doesn't ring true. Enabling a troll is also acting > in a way that is detrimental to the community. But I haven't seen > you express disappointment in that.
I've already explained why that is. First, it's less anguish to kill-file one troll than several vitriolic regulars (and I realize that he keeps changing his name, but fortunately I think he's only used three different /addresses/ in the time that he's been posting). Second, I don't want to bully anybody into not trying to help a user where they want to and believe that they can. It may be "enabling" for the troll, but it's unhealthy for the list in general. > Those that expressed their disappointment with the enabling behaviour > were more or less told they should deal with it. So tell me, why > should your disappointment merrit more consideration? When did I ever say that it should? I'm just putting my own opinions on the subject out there. > If you want the python list to be a hospitable place, you have > to be attentive for signals from other contributors that the > level of hospitability is decreasing for them. If you ignore > them or brush them off you then risk loosing them as cooperators > to that goal. So if later you find the level of hospitability > is decreasing for you, you are more likely to get ignored or > brushed off too. The level of hospitality is already decreasing for me. That's why I'm speaking up. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
