On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:17:58 -0700, lcrocker wrote: > Am I mistaken in my belief that tkinter is a non-optional part of the > Python language? I installed the "python3" package on Ubuntu, and > tkinter is not included--it's an optional package "python3-tk" that has > to be installed separately. I reported this as a bug as was summarily > slapped down.
Personally, I think that is a silly design by Ubuntu, but tkinter is optional and they're free to distribute Python with or without it. That becomes a *quality of implementation* issue: some distributions may be more complete, easier to install, more up-to-date, etc. than others, but they're still Python. There is Python the language, which is distinct from the CPython implementation (to say nothing of other implementations like Jython, IronPython, Stackless, PyPy, ...), and then there is the standard library. Much of the standard library is optional, although unfortunately the documentation doesn't really make that as clear as it should. Tkinter depends on you have Tk/Tcl installed, which on Linux and Unix systems depends on you having X installed. Personally, I think that a good packaging system should ensure that once you install Tk/Tcl, tkinter should "just work". But there may be technical reasons why this is impossible. If you ever build Python from source, you will often get warnings that it could not build certain modules. I spent a fruitless couple of hours last week trying to install Python 2.7 from scratch with sqlite, before giving up. What I got was still Python 2.7. It was just Python 2.7 without sqlite (and four or five other modules, which I don't care about and don't remember). > Can we apply some pressure to Ubuntu to fix this? Python is a trademark, > is it not? Can Ubuntu legally claim that their "Python" package is an > implementation of the language if it does not include the whole > language? Tkinter is not part of the language. The tkinter module is an interface to another language, not part of Python the language itself. There are platforms where Tk/Tcl do not exist, platforms which may not even have a GUI environment at all. Do you really intend to say that it is forbidden to have Python on such platforms? -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
