On Oct 16, 9:27 pm, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: > On 10/14/2012 10:36 PM, alex23 wrote:> On Oct 15, 1:22 pm, ru...@yahoo.com > wrote: > > >> Thus when a member of this esteemed group > >> was recently attacked as racist, for punning another member's > >> name when responding somewhat heatedly, > > > Again, there is a difference between "attacking" someone "as racist" > > and *criticising* their *comments* as *possibly* racist. When the > > person whose name was being punned said that they themselves were > > unsure whether it was intended as a racial attack, then the behaviour > > was worth commenting on. > > I just went back and reread what you and some others wrote > to make sure I was not misremembering and am comfortable > sticking with my description. (FTR, your initial response > was "Please, don't be a dick.") > > My intent was not to reargue that issue but to point out > that different people have differing ideas on what is > "acceptable" and "unacceptable" here and that if Ben > Finney's advice to respond (in moderation) whenever one > reads an "unacceptable" opinion is taken, one will create > an environment in which troll's will flourish. > > The best advise is to ignore such posts and encourage > others to do the same.
Trolling posts certainly exist. And when 'troll' becomes a short-form for 'one-who-regularly-trolls' its fine as long as we remember that its a metonymy. When we forget http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg should help by: 1. Showing how to deal with trolling 2. Reminding that such beings dont actually exist except as caricature Coming to current misbehavior on the list -- specifically Etienne's outburst against Steven, I am reminded of a similar situation a year ago Long thread -- Relevant starting is here http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2011-May/604893.html Abusive post http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2011-May/604914.html Maybe easier to read http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/17dca3bf467c9001/c53102a45da19386 The last thing that John Bokma posted (to the best of my knowledge) was: > Ben Finney <ben at benfinney.id.au> writes: > >>> Get a life. Or better, just fuck off and die. It will improve both the >>> world and the Python community, of which you are nothing but a little, >>> smelly shitstain. >> >> That abuse is entirely unwelcome in this community, against any person. >> Please desist. > You should have spoken up sooner, especially as the spokes person of > "this" community. But every bully has is fan club. > > -- > John Bokma If we think/feel that John Bokma was trolling then driving him off the list was a good thing. If not we need to question whether those actions were collectively sound. Specifically Steven's post that triggered Etienne's misbehavior is this: On Oct 5, 5:22 am, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:10:46 -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Dear list, > > > Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the > > removal ofnotmmfrom pypi and bitbucket. > > Well that's just rude. Even if you don't intend to maintain the software > any more, why are you removing it from pypi? Since you say you are a fan > of Open Source software, just flag it as unmaintained and leave it for > somebody else to pick up. > > If you are going to abandon the project, release it on PyPI with a dual > MIT and GPL licence, and let it be taken over by somebody else. > > If you were looking for sympathy here, starting off by removing your > project from free hosting, then complaining that you can't pay for the > non-free hosting, was NOT the right way to do so. : > Steven I read Etienne as saying: 'I need money (or at least some sympathy)' Steven is unequivocally saying 'You are not getting it from here' Technically he is correct; humanly I am not so sure. [I have a personal regret that I did not rebut Steven's rudeness with a '... that is not necessarily the view of the whole group...' I hesitated to do so because I am not adept at giving sympathy without giving false hope and keeping the post at reasonable length. Anyhow this (too long) post is an attempt at correcting that.] In the earlier (Quora-thread) Terry Reedy's voice was most balanced and sane; unfortunately covered in the 'dog-pile' of all the rest. Hopefully he will put in his word here as well. [And Zero thank you for starting this thread] Rusi - http://blog.languager.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
