In article <mailman.1421.1348653712.27098.python-l...@python.org>,
 Hannu Krosing <ha...@krosing.net> wrote:

> You can get only so far using "sales". At some point you have to deliver.

But, by that time, the guy who closed the sale has already cashed his 
bonus check, bought his new BMW, and moved on to another company.

And around that time, some poor schmuck of a dev manager is telling his 
team what the sales guy sold.  And that they have 12 weeks to design, 
build, and deliver it.
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