"James Tanis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Previously, on Jun 6, Thomas Bartkus said: > > # "bruno modulix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > # news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > You mean the "wimp gui builder + db -> ui pipeline" model ? If yes, C > # > doesn't have it, C++ doesn't have it (in fact most languages doesn't > # > have it) - and .... > # > # > .... the fact is that C and C++ are usually considered as much > # > more "serious and professionnal" than VB and the likes. > # > # Yes but there is another fact that must be considered. > # Systems like VB (and the likes) are much more *productive* . > # > # The secret of that particular success has nothing to do with the language > # and everything to do with the integrated GUI / IDE available to that > # particular (VB) language. > > That's pretty arguable. C/C++ has no shortage of integrated GUI/IDE > available especially if your willing to fork out the same kind of books > that you would need to for VB. > > # > # Anything that reduces the overhead involved in producing a > # consistent/attractive/idiot proof user interface makes a far more > # productive environment. > # > # Thomas Bartkus > > My 2 cents, I'm much more productive with Python and QT Builder as I > am with VB and those aren't nearly as intergrated as VB's GUI/IDE. A > language's productivity, I believe, rests on how high or low-level the > language and its libraries are. Not just that though, productivity is > also very much affected by the breadth of the libraries available.
When scripting, Windows or Linux, I also am much more productive with Python. When automating a process for another human being, I am much more productive with a RAD tool like VB. The effort involved in creating the user front end simply overwhelms all the considerable efficiencies of Python. When I code wxPython, I find I want to use VB to create/model my user interface. Once I prototype my Windows (Frames!) using VB, I can then xlate this to wxPython code. What I couldn't do without the VB IDE was visualize and experiment with the impact of various layouts *before* I lay down code. It is simply too onerous to experiment by code manipulation and too easy to swish around visually with a mouse. When I use a GUI designer like wxGlade, I still find it awkward enough to merit prototyping with the VB IDE and then mimic the windows I create with wxGlade. > Sure, GUI RAD solutions increase development in a very real way, but you > can find an offering for just about every language out there these days. Yes. But the tools available for Python are still primitive compared to RAD tools like Delphi/Visual Studio. I still don't know enough wxPython to understand what the barriers are to creating a RAD visual design and construction tool similar to the Visual Studio environment. My ravings here are simply the result of a suspicion - - The suspicion is that the only barrier is the Python (and Linux!) communities grossly underestimating the value of such an undertaking. Thomas Bartkus -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
