On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:39:49 -0800, patty wrote: > I am glad you said this. I have been avoiding understanding this > 'self', just accepting it :} For the time being, since my programs I am > creating are for my own use, I think I will make my own names up, that > are descriptive to me as the programmer, it's all going to be > interpreted anyway. And the other email equating to C's argv, etc. - > now I get it.
That's a shame, because `self` is actually very simple once you understand the basic principles of object-oriented programming. What names would you choose? Unless you're writing descriptors, or using class methods, both of which should be considered advanced usage (highly advanced for descriptors, moderately so for class methods), it's not like every method needs a different descriptive first argument. In English, "self", "this", "me" or "instance" would be good names. What else would you use? The idea of method syntax is that you start with an instance of some class: mystring = "hello world" # an instance of the str class In procedural languages like C or Pascal, you would call a function and give the string as an argument. Python supports this programming model, and uses it for built-ins like len: len(mystring) => returns 11 Object oriented programming uses a different syntax. Instead of function(instance) as above, we take the instance argument outside the brackets. For example: mystring.upper() # instead of upper(mystring) => returns "HELLO WORLD" If there are any extra arguments needed, they go inside the brackets as normal. So far, this is just a change of syntax. It's like saying "The cat of my brother's" vs. "my brother's cat" -- the meaning is the same, but the syntax differs. The real advantages of object oriented programming and methods come elsewhere (e.g. encapsulation and inheritance). [Aside: when I was learning this, the hardest part I found was remembering which things were functions, and which were methods. I kept writing (wrongly!) things like: "hello world".len() upper("hello world") Unfortunately there is no easy way to recognise what will be a function like len, and which are methods like upper. That will come with experience. Back to function/procedural syntax versus object oriented syntax... One difference, though, is when you write a method definition. Because the method you write starts off life as an ordinary function, you need to write it *as if* it were a function you call like len() above. Here's how you might write a method in a class: class MyClass: def method(self, extra): pass When you then call the method: instance = MyClass() instance.method("something extra") Python automatically changes the syntax for you, and passes two arguments to the function as if you did this: # pseudo-code set self = instance set extra = "something extra extract "method" from MyClass call method(self, extra) We call the first argument something like "self" because it will ALWAYS be the instance itself. Unlike a regular function, which can have anything passed as the first argument, and therefore you should give it a descriptive name, the method's first argument is provided automatically for you and will always be the instance you started with. I hope this helps. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list