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(justin) > >On 10-Jan-11 16:02 PM, MRAB wrote: >> On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >>> >>> The gist is: Python grew faster than any other programming language >>> over the last year, according to this (slightly arbitrary, but better >>> than no indicator) ranking. >>> >>> ...despite our wikipedia page whose first paragraph almost seems like >>> it was written with the intention of scaring off new converts, with >>> its "unusual" comment: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29 >>> >>> (Like it or not, people do frequently confuse the descriptive for the >>> normative) >> >> It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax >> errors! > >Why not correct the Wikipedia entry? > >Colin W. > > > >Hi there, I wonder if any Python folk out there can help me. > >For many years I was a contractor developing desktop and web >applications using Visual Foxpro as my main language, with Foxpro, >SQL-server and Oracle as back-end databases. Unfortunately Foxpro was >killed-off by Microsoft, hence my work dried-up and my last 'big' >contract ended about a year ago. Since then I have taken time off >programming doing house-renovation, and in the last 6 months I have been >updating my programming skills by learning Python (3) with SQLite, >JavaScript, HTML and CSS to a level where I can create and deploy >data-based web-sites. > >My situation now is that I am reasonably comfortable with the above >languages and am now in a position where I wish to return to employment >using my new and/or existing skills (contract/permanent, full/part-time >or teleworking). However, I have yet to find any UK vacancy which will >accept a relative 'beginner' - they all require at least 2-3 years >Python in a commercial environment. It's a catch-22 situation - it's >hard to get a job without experience, but you need a job to get >experience in the 1st place! > >I would even consider doing small projects for nothing so that I can >'get my foot in the door' (although I hope to be wise-enough to know >when I am being taken advantage of!). I am also mailing CVs to agencies >I think may be interested. > >If anyone out has ideas as to how to proceed towards achieving my goal, >I would be grateful for any advice. > >Regards, >Alan Harris-Reid > > > >On 1/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Harris-Reid wrote: > >... >> updating my programming skills by learning Python (3) with SQLite, >> JavaScript, HTML and CSS to a level where I can create and deploy >> data-based web-sites. >... >> I would even consider doing small projects for nothing so that I can >> 'get my foot in the door' (although I hope to be wise-enough to know > >I believe both Roundup/Python tracker and PyPI (Python package index) >are based on sqlite and have small projects available/needed. I cannot >help you otherwise. Good luck. > >-- >Terry Jan Reedy > > > >On 1/12/2011 9:51 AM, Colin J. Williams wrote: > >>> It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax >>> errors! >> >> Why not correct the Wikipedia entry? > >As I reported early, the errors, if any, are in .png and .svg images of >text, which would have to be replaced, not corrected. Would be good >since the imaged snippet is a haphazard except from a much larger file >and inane out of context. > >-- >Terry Jan Reedy > > > >On 2011-01-11 21:41:24 -0800, Michele Simionato said: > >> Originally plac too was able to recognize flags automatically by >> looking at the default value (if the default value is a boolean then >> the option is a flag); however I removed that functionality because I >> wanted to be able to differentiate between flag and (smart) options >> (see >> http://micheles.googlecode.com/hg/plac/doc/plac.html#scripts-with-options-and-smart-options). > >Not >> >entirely sure what you mean by 'smart' options. If your'e referring to >using a single hyphen and a list of characters to represent a long >option (which, to the rest of the world, use two leading hyphens) then >that's pretty weird. ;) > >Consider most of the GNU tools: > > ls -lvh > tar -xzvf file.tgz (goes so far as to make the leading hyphen optional!) > less -ceF logfile > bc -qw > ps -aux (same as tar) > >And even third-party tools: > > mysql -fH > pg_dump -abO ... > >One major system in the world that doesn't really differentiate between >long and short options is... DOS, and by extension, Windows. But they >also use / as a switch character. > >Anyway; I'm happy with what I have wrought (and am continuing to update >with support for class-based sub-command dispatch) and will be >utilizing it for all scripts in the Marrow suite. To each their own, >but reinvention itself can be for motivations other than NIH. I wanted >something pure-Python, portable across the 3k barrier without code >modification (no 2to3), that didn't use optparse, getopt, or argparse >and basically be a translation layer. It can be simpler than that, as >marrow.script demonstrates. > > - Alice. > > > > >> As I reported early, the errors, if any, are in .png and .svg images of >> text, which would have to be replaced, not corrected. Would be good >> since the imaged snippet is a haphazard except from a much larger file >> and inane out of context. > >I don't think it really is a big deal. I mean, this is merely an >illustration for the syntax-highlighted python code. So the message >isn't: "Go ahead and try it with your Python". It's rather "Look, you can >have colorful highlighting of python code, isn't that cool?!" It actually >presents the specific indentation of Python code and therefore it is >mostly useful to someone who never used Python. And actually I wouldn't >expect any Python programmer to look for feedback on Wikipedia. It's not >that I have anything against Wikipedia -- on the contrary, I use it all >the time. But remember that it's an encyclopedia not a Python manual. > > >On Jan 12, 4:37 pm, Alan Harris-Reid <aharrisr...@googlemail.com> >wrote: >> Hi there, I wonder if any Python folk out there can help me. >> >> For many years I was a contractor developing desktop and web >> applications using Visual Foxpro as my main language, with Foxpro, >> SQL-server and Oracle as back-end databases. Unfortunately Foxpro was >> killed-off by Microsoft, hence my work dried-up and my last 'big' >> contract ended about a year ago. Since then I have taken time off >> programming doing house-renovation, and in the last 6 months I have been >> updating my programming skills by learning Python (3) with SQLite, >> JavaScript, HTML and CSS to a level where I can create and deploy >> data-based web-sites. >> >> My situation now is that I am reasonably comfortable with the above >> languages and am now in a position where I wish to return to employment >> using my new and/or existing skills (contract/permanent, full/part-time >> or teleworking). However, I have yet to find any UK vacancy which will >> accept a relative 'beginner' - they all require at least 2-3 years >> Python in a commercial environment. It's a catch-22 situation - it's >> hard to get a job without experience, but you need a job to get >> experience in the 1st place! >> >> I would even consider doing small projects for nothing so that I can >> 'get my foot in the door' (although I hope to be wise-enough to know >> when I am being taken advantage of!). I am also mailing CVs to agencies >> I think may be interested. >> >> If anyone out has ideas as to how to proceed towards achieving my goal, >> I would be grateful for any advice. >> >> Regards, >> Alan Harris-Reid > >Hi Alan, > >Just some ideas (not in any order, just as they're thought of):- > >- Emphasise your experience with Oracle & SQL Server, and use Python >as a "I also have". It may be someone will accept that as viable >(saves them a DBA or something), and maybe you'll get into an >experienced group and get on the job training. (I assume you have good >SQL skills). > >- Look at cwjobs.co.uk / monster / etc..., and search for Python. Get >a list of agencies there. Phone them *first*, explain what is it >you've done, and what you can do. If the person seems to know what >they're talking about send your CV - but chase often. > >- Look at web-frameworks. Django seems to be the most listed for >"required"/"nice to have". Also check out javascript-frameworks - >jquery & extjs are the biggest 2, so at least you can say you've had >some experience. > >- Perhaps phone your local job centre, and ask for a contact for their >local volunteer centre. They might have something like work for a >small charity that just needs a couple of pages done. The idea being: >1) If it's a cause you believe in, it makes up for not getting paid; >2) You can use it as an example and reference; 3) You might be able to >use it as networking - might get a free lunch from an event and meet >someone with money, that's impressed with your good will and work, and >just happens to have a job going spare... > >- Build a copy of your CV designed for the web. Make sure it looks >good, is HTML/CSS compliant, and even add some nice interactive stuff >to it, and include it as a link in your CV. [The other thing you can >do, is only display the CV on entry of a short PIN (different for each >one you send - '2431' or something'), then you can log who's bothered >looking at it, and when, enabling timing of a follow-up better)]. > >- Look in local papers for local companies that offer not necessarily >web design, but possibly just print design. See if you can't have a >chat with them and get some work your way. Other options might be new- >starts up, non-chain pubs, community/sports clubs, a local church for >fund-raising, your local chinese/indian takeaway - wouldn't hurt to >put their menu online with an online order form would it!? [What you >might find about this, is that as they're not likely to be technical, >you can take your own time, charge a reasonable amount, experiment a >little and learn, and not have too tight deadlines or someone looking >over your shoulder]. > >Brain (or somewhere else) dump finished. > >hth > >Jon. > > > > >On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Alan Harris-Reid wrote: > >> >> Hi there, I wonder if any Python folk out there can help me. >> >> For many years I was a contractor developing desktop and web applications >> using Visual Foxpro as my main language, with Foxpro, SQL-server and Oracle >> as back-end databases. Unfortunately Foxpro was killed-off by Microsoft, >> hence my work dried-up and my last 'big' contract ended about a year ago. >> Since then I have taken time off programming doing house-renovation, and in >> the last 6 months I have been updating my programming skills by learning >> Python (3) with SQLite, JavaScript, HTML and CSS to a level where I can >> create and deploy data-based web-sites. >> >> My situation now is that I am reasonably comfortable with the above >> languages and am now in a position where I wish to return to employment >> using my new and/or existing skills (contract/permanent, full/part-time or >> teleworking). However, I have yet to find any UK vacancy which will accept >> a relative 'beginner' - they all require at least 2-3 years Python in a >> commercial environment. It's a catch-22 situation - it's hard to get a job >> without experience, but you need a job to get experience in the 1st place! >> >> I would even consider doing small projects for nothing so that I can 'get my >> foot in the door' (although I hope to be wise-enough to know when I am being >> taken advantage of!). I am also mailing CVs to agencies I think may be >> interested. >> >> If anyone out has ideas as to how to proceed towards achieving my goal, I >> would be grateful for any advice. > >Contributing to open source projects (your own or someone else's) will help to >convince some employers that you're worth taking a look at. If nothing else it >gives you a public example of the work that you can point them to. > >Good luck >Philip > >As of now here is my situation: >I am working on a system to aggregate IT data and logs. A number of >important data are gathered by a third party system. The only >immediate way I have to access the data is to have their system >automatically email me updates in CSV format every hour. If I set up a >mail client on the server, this shouldn't be a huge issue. > >However, is there a way to automatically open the emails, and copy the >attachments to a directory based on the filename? Kind of a weird >project, I know. Just looking for some ideas hence posting this on two >lists. > >Thanks all, and happy hump day! >-Matty > > >The title sounds too complex, but my question is actually simple. > >Suppose I have [1,2,3,4,5], then there are many ways of making >clustering. >Among them, I want to pair up terminals until there is only one left >at the end. >For example, ((((1,2),3),4),5), (1,(2,(3,(4,5)))), or (((1,2),(3,4)), >5) would be legitimate ones. > >How do you think can I, using the modules of Python such as itertools >as much as possible, make all possible such clusterings? > >Thanks in advance, >Justin. > > >-- >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
