On Jan 25, 12:15 pm, Terry Reedy <tjre...@udel.edu> wrote: > On 1/25/2011 10:29 AM, rusi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just trying to sift the BS from the real issues > > > Heres a list of the issues relating to GUI toolkits > > > Look > > Nativity-1 (as in apps look like other apps on the OS) > > Nativity-2 (as in uses 'bare-metal' and not a separate interpreter) > > Themeing (ttk) > > Efficiency (extra interpreter) > > Cross Platform > > Stability (crashes on some OSes) > > Programmability > > Accessibility > > i18n > > Availability of gui builder > > Licence > > It does not matter for the stdlib if wxpython is 3 times > as good as tkinter, by some measure, as long as it is ineligible.
Terry, i think rusi was just posting a general list of some likable attributes of a 21st century GUI library. No were did he mention the words "wx" or "python". ------------------ The Sad Reality ------------------ Sadly the fact is that the "elite" have already made a decision. And they don't care how bad "Tkinter" is for Python's stdlib or how good "GUI library X" is for Python's stdlib. They do not want to make a change. They are in bed with TclTk. They have lost all vision. This is the reality. --------------------------- What can we do about it? --------------------------- However, like all totalitarian regimes, when the peasants start demanding equality and then storm the castle... then and only then will the closed minded and selfish elite listen! So we need to make noise, a lot of noise. And we need to be persistent. We need to demand equality through accessibility. We need to demand feature rich libraries that do not cripple us like Tkinter. We need to demand that Pythons community re-establish a vision for the future. A vision that is representative of ALL the people -- and not a few fat cats at the top. -------------------------------- From Dictatorship to Democracy -------------------------------- I have time and time again given examples of how python-dev can get a real idea of what the wider community is thinking. One of these ideas would be to send out a "Tkinter Removal Warning" that would be displayed when the Python installer was run and every time Tkinter is imported. The warning would show a website were people could vote to keep Tkinter in the stdlib. This is the only way we can truly understand what our community members are thinking about Tkinter. Anything else is purely speculation. ----------------------------------------------- The silence of the peasants, and an awakening ----------------------------------------------- Many folks out there share our views that Tkinter is a weight around Python's neck, however they are too fearful to speak out for fear of excommunication (the kill file!). However i must tell all of you that just as other nations have risen against their own brutal governments and survived, so to shall you IF you combine your voices as one. There is power in numbers that no "elite theocracy" can deny. United we can re-establish the original dream that build Python. Guido forged the path and we must not let his work be in vain. But now the community has been so overrun with trolls, naysayers, and negative mind sets that infect any semblance of civility and remove good judgment from our coffers. We are doomed unless we re-awake the dream. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
