On Jan 18, 8:59 pm, Corey Richardson <kb1...@aim.com> wrote: > > > I completely agree! And we should expect it to be even better! > > What out there is there that meets those requirements?
Nothing, and I somewhat doubt there ever will be. Tk is somewhat of an anomaly at this point. Most of the trend in GUI toolkits is to become more HTML/JS/CSS like in nature, which isn't something I personally agree with. I certainly don't think it makes life any easier for the programmer, especially starting out. It might make certain types of applications (e.g., CRUD) easier, but that's not a laudable goal in the least. > Mobile and web certainly have their place, but it Python the place for > it? Sure, Python can be used as the back-end of web sites, but not up > front like Java or Flash (aside from Jython). Especially mobile. Python > was not intended for a mobile platform not should it be made to fit that > niche. Python has its place, but your cell phone is not it. I don't think that's true per se, but I don't think it's relevant. A single GUI toolkit for traditional computers, for web, and mobile is a difficult task, one that no one has accomplished. MS has gotten closest, and I'd hesitate to call Silverlight a success. Plus, Silverlight is plugin-based rich applications (ala Flash), not HTML/ CSS/Javascript which is what most people mean/want for the web. Adding HTML/CSS/Javascript to the mix takes the problem from bad to awful, in my opinion. I'm sure the various Pyjamas users might take issue with that, but what works best inside a web browser (with its various enforced limitations) isn't what works best inside a client- side application (be it web delivered or not). > As a web interface are you thinking something like Java's Swing or > something like Django? You pretty clearly need both. There are times when web pages are what I want, there are times when they are inadequate and I need more functionality. You certainly don't want either Swing or Django, though. > > Given the above, what do you guys (python-list, not just rantingrick) > think fills the spot the best? > Nothing, but I'm not even convinced the spot needs to be filled. Certainly no one's made an actual case for why, much less how. Regardless, if it's really what you want, you'd have to write it yourself. Personally, while Silverlight has some interesting ideas, I'd recommend not using it as a base, especially if Python is your target language. > Would these items inclusion in the stdlib entail unnecessary cruft added > on to the size of the stdlib, are they completely cross-platform (as far > as Python itself is)? > Depends on exactly what you do, but you'd likely end up no bigger than .NET or Java. I'll leave it to others to decide whether that's a good or bad thing. > Let's try not to get off track like this thing has been since it was > started. That was and rantingrick's goal from the get go and still is his goal. Otherwise, he wouldn't have changed his position three times now and be overdue for a fourth. Otherwise, he would have answered my / your question about why bother putting a minimized version of wxWidgets in the standard library by now as opposed to the whole damn thing. He dodges technical questions because he lacks even the most elementary understanding. He'll do the same to you and only offer absurd platitudes and insults in return, as opposed to actual working technical solutions. Hell, he can't even offer up a consistent problem to solve, and he's honestly over do for changing it altogether.. Adam -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
