On 18.01.2011 09:58, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Alexander Kapps" <alex.ka...@web.de>
>> On 17.01.2011 21:04, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>>> I say probably not considering the availability of 3rd party
>>> downloads. What say you, Python community?
>>
>> Available as 3rd party downloads:
>>
>> XML,HTML,...
>> HTTP,FTP,SMTP,POP,IMAP/...
>> MD5,SHA,...
>> zip,bzip,...
>>
>> and so on and so on and so on.
>>
>> Remove them all just because they are available as 3rd party
>> downloads?
>
> No, they should not be removed because they don't cause any damage,
> very bad damage as Tkinter does.
Tkinter causes damage? Very bad damage? What are you talking about?
>> The "Batteries included" of Python is just *great* and I vote for
>> *more* not less batteries!
>
> Well, in that case, why don't you agree to also include WxPython in
> the Python package?
Well, I don't like wx that much and others have already highlighted
some of the problems with it. I think that adding redundancy is bad
and I really want a GUI toolkit that makes it easy to quickly write
a simple GUI, so I do not want wx to replace Tkinter. But yes, I
wouldn't mind the inclusion of a large GUI package.
>>> And one more thing. Not all the Python programmers create desktop
>>> apps so a GUI lib is useless. Some of them use Python only for
>>> web programming or only for system administration.
>>
>> Not all Python programmers do web programming, so please remove
>> the useless HTML junk too.
>
> Why do you call it "html junk"?
You said a GUI lib is useless because not all programmers write
GUIs. so I say an HTML lib is useless because not all programmers
write web stuff. Got it? Both are useful and I'm absolutely against
any attempt to remove either from the stdlib. *That* would cause damage.
>> Almost every beginner wants to do GUIs or at least some graphic
>> stuff. Removing the GUI module from the stdlib would be plain
>> wrong IMHO. But I don't understand the whole issue anyway. It
>> isn't that you need to fire up your torrent client and wait 48
>> hours for the Python download to complete. Why remove useful (to
>> many, not most) stuff from the lib?
>
> Yes it can be useful for some people, but why promote it instead of
> promoting a better library for beginners?
Which one? That's the whole point. There currently is no better GUI
lib than Tkinter which allows quick and easy GUI programming and
still has a large widget set, is pythonic and so on. PyGUI might be
in the future. If you care that much go on and help making it happen.
I have absolutely no problem with a better GUI lib, I just don't
care much and those who seem to care enough to start a war over and
over again seem to be unwilling to really do anything.
> Octavian
>
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