Hmmm, my ISP's news software really doesn't like it when I cross-post to more than three newsgroups. So, trying again without comp.lang.c.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:00:46 +0100, BartC wrote: > "RG" <rnospa...@flownet.com> wrote in message > news:rnospamon-20651e.17410012102...@news.albasani.net... >> In article <i92dvd$ad...@news.eternal-september.org>, "BartC" >> <b...@freeuk.com> wrote: >> >>> "Thomas A. Russ" <t...@sevak.isi.edu> wrote in message > >>> > But radians are dimensionless. >>> >>> But they are still units >> >> No, they aren't. >> >>> so that you can choose to use radians, degrees or gradians >> >> Those aren't units either, any more than a percentage is a unit. They >> are just different ways of writing numbers. >> >> All of the following are the same number written in different >> notations: >> >> 0.5 >> 1/2 >> 50% >> >> Likewise, all of the following are the same number written in different >> notations: >> >> pi/2 >> pi/2 radians >> 90 degrees >> 100 gradians >> 1/4 circle >> 0.25 circle >> 25% of a circle >> 25% of 2pi >> >> See? > > But what exactly *is* this number? Is it 0.25, 1.57 or 90? That's the wrong question. It's like asking, what exactly "is" the number twenty-one -- is it "one and twenty", or 21, or 0x15, or 0o25, or 21.0, or 20.999... recurring, or 63/3, or XXI, or 0b10101, or "vinet et un", or any one of many other representations. Whether you say "two tens plus one unit" or "two to the power of four plus two to the power of two plus two to the power of zero", the number is the same number. So long as you use a consistent notation, the results you get is independent of the notation. (Of course, some notations are more convenient than others.) Likewise, it doesn't matter whether you write 45° or π/4 radians, the angle you are describing -- the number -- is the same. It turns out that trigonometric functions have very nice (= important, useful) mathematical properties if the notation we use for angles is the radian measure, where 2π radians make a full circle. This leads some people to mistakenly say that radians are more fundamental than degrees, or that they are the "actual" value for the angle. But that's like saying that binary is the "actual" base for numbers because addition and subtraction in binary have the nice property that they're easy to implement in electrical circuits. Well, yes, and those properties are very important, and mathematicians have done the sensible thing to declare radians to be "the" mathematical measure of angles, but triangles will still be triangles regardless of whether we represent the angles using base ten radians or balanced ternary rational fractions. No matter what language we use to represent a number, the properties of the number remain the same. Or to put it another way, a rose by any other name would smell just the same. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
