Luca wrote:
Chris Rebert wrote:
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Luca <lu...@despammed.com> wrote:
Hello, i am trying to develop an application to teach programming to young
kids in a similar way as Logo did in the past. I would like to use an
embedded Python as underlying language but this raises a problem.

The target of my app are very young kids that might be unfamiliar with
english, so i am wondering if there is a way to rename/redefine identifiers
and messages in the language of the kid.

In UCB-Logo this is very easy with the command
 COPYDEF "newidentifier "oldidentifier
so all you have to do is setup a startup script to redefine all the
identifiers to the language of the user.

Is there anything similar for python? Since python would be embedded it
would not be a problem for me to do it through some API.

It can certainly be done (c.f. ChinesePython -
http://www.chinesepython.org/cgi_bin/cgb.cgi/english/english.html),
but I know of no framework that simplifies the task. Essentially, you
just have to manually modify Python's parser by swapping out the
english for the other language (and if you want to mess with the basic
types' names, their name definitions somewhere else too). There also
might be encoding issues to deal with.

Cheers,
Chris
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Yes, i am playing with Python source code, i have changed some keywords but the compile-process fails when it tries to compile some of python libraries which, of course, use english keywords... so i guess this is not a very clean/viable solution (without having to rewrite several parts of the libraries). A better solution could be to "duplicate" keywords adding a translated version but leaving the original version in place so that every module keeps working. In few words, if i was going to translate the keyword "if" in, say, italian "se", then i would have both "if" and also "se" working at the same time, in the same manner. I think that the best way to do this is to insert a "filter" somewhere that converts every "se" keyword into a "if" keyword so that python doesn't even see the change.

What i would like to do is add a new keyword (lets call it "copydef" like in UCBLogo or whatever) that does this work at runtime by keeping a substitution table in RAM. If i could manage to add this new keyword to python then it would be easy to write a startup script that translates the keywords once python is "up and running" and without breaking existing python programs/libraries (unless the new keyword conflicts with functions defined inside these programs/libraries).

Perhaps you could use a different extension, eg ".pyn", so existing
".py" files are handled as-is but ".pyn" files are read through a
translator.
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