On Jan 22, 1:08 pm, Arnaud Delobelle <arno...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Steve Howell <showel...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > On Jan 22, 12:14 pm, Chris Rebert <c...@rebertia.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Steve Howell <showel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > The v2.6.4 version of the tutorial says this:
>
> >> > '''
> >> > It is also possible to use a list as a queue, where the first element
> >> > added is the first element retrieved (“first-in, first-out”); however,
> >> > lists are not efficient for this purpose. While appends and pops from
> >> > the end of list are fast, doing inserts or pops from the beginning of
> >> > a list is slow (because all of the other elements have to be shifted
> >> > by one).
> >> > '''
>
> >> > Is that really true in CPython? It seems like you could advance the
> >> > pointer instead of shifting all the elements. It would create some
> >> > nuances with respect to reclaiming the memory, but it seems like an
> >> > easy way to make lists perform better under a pretty reasonable use
> >> > case.
>
> >> > Does anybody know off the top of their head if the "have-to-be-shifted-
> >> > by-one" warning is actually valid?
>
> >> Judging by the "Sorted dictionary" thread responses: Yes.
>
> > I think you are referring to this comment:
>
> > '''
> > Insertion and deletion are still O(n) as all items to the right of the
> > inserted/deleted one have to be shifted by one place.
> > '''
>
> > I can certainly see why most reasonable implementations of a list
> > would have insertion/deletion in the middle of the list be O(N), but I
> > don't think that limitation has to apply for the special cases of the
> > beginning and end of the list.
>
> I made the comment you quoted. In CPython, it is O(n) to delete/insert
> an element at the start of the list - I know it because I looked at the
> implementation a while ago. This is why collections.deque exists I
> guess. I don't know how they are implemented but insertion/deletion at
> either end are O(1) and so is random access. So they are the data
> structure that you want.
>
> If you want evidence for lists, rather than my word, try:
>
> >>> import timeit
> >>> timeit.Timer('while t:del t[0]', 't=[0]*100000').timeit(1)
> 1.8452401161193848
> >>> timeit.Timer('while t:del t[-1]', 't=[0]*100000').timeit(1)
>
> 0.017747163772583008
>
> >>> timeit.Timer(
>
> 'while t:del t[0]',
> 'from collections import deque; t=deque([0]*100000)'
> ).timeit(1)
> 0.022077083587646484>>> timeit.Timer(
>
> 'while t:del t[-1]',
> 'from collections import deque; t=deque([0]*100000)'
> ).timeit(1)
> 0.027813911437988281
>
Ok, thanks, good to know. I assume it's the colorly named
list_ass_slice that would have to special case ilow == 0 and you'd
need a memory manager that would let you realloc from ilow:ihigh to
ilow+n:high. Am I reading that much of the code correctly?
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