In article <03db1c69-828a-4961-914d-62fe10ed8...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote: <SNIP> > >Pascal Constanza wrote: >> Yes. There are actually complete software development methodologies >> built around these ideas. Google for "extreme programming" and "agile >> software methodologies". > >Pascal Constanza is a Common Lisp fanatic. Note here, that eXtreme >Programing is one of the snake oil, that ran like rampant wild fire in >the industry around 2002, with many books published on it on the >supposed motherfucking hip Software Engineering practices, but today >you don't hear much of it. I haven't looked at =E2=80=9CAgile programing=E2= >=80=9D >agile my ass, but it is probably a waste of time. > >... what society overwhelmingly asks for is snake oil. Of course, the >snake oil has the most impressive names =E2=80=94otherwise you would be >selling nothing=E2=80=94 like =E2=80=9CStructured Analysis and Design=E2=80= >=9D, =E2=80=9CSoftware >Engineering=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CMaturity Models=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CManagemen= >t Information Systems=E2=80=9D, >=E2=80=9CIntegrated Project Support Environments=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CObject O= >rientation=E2=80=9D and >=E2=80=9CBusiness Process Re-engineering=E2=80=9D (the latter three being k= >nown as >IPSE, OO and BPR, respectively).=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Edsger W Dijkstra (1930= >-2002), in >EWD 1175: The strengths of the academic enterprise. >
A couple of weeks ago, a collegue of mine held a lecture about a company where he is hired, building paper-folding and envelope-handling machines. (We are hired hands). Real time, and real time simulators. Full regression tests after each change. Agile scrum all the way down. It looks impressive especially from where I stand. ( Formal procedures that take 6 months, and bad fixes because approved changes were no good after all.) So not dead by a margin, and less snake oil than most methodologies I know of. > Xah Groetjes Albert -- -- Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. alb...@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
