On Dec 4, 5:39 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Honestly, based on the content and tenor of this post I think this is > Yet Another Python Troll
So original: disagreeable criticism is "trolling". A few points... Short keywords are more likely to collide with short variable and attribute names, and while we should all use descriptive names for things, the complainant does seem to have found a reasonable application of a short name; when new short keywords are introduced, conflicts with such applications are inevitable, and that's exactly what has happened here. Anyone who has used any library or framework which combines another domain or technology with Python has probably seen names with trailing underscores; I believe PyQt employs exec_ instead of exec in various places, for example. Choosing some other name which needs no underscore can work against the beginner if they are referring to generic documentation. My message on python-dev about parsers and keywords noted that some languages manage to achieve what the complainant wants, more or less. SQL implementations, for example, can often deal with keywords if they are qualified, and it is even possible to double-quote keywords and use them as identifiers: create table "create" ( "select" varchar ); select "select" from "create"; select "create".select from "create"; (This from a PostgreSQL 8.2 session.) [...] > If you suppressed or ignored the deprecation warning that > all your code has been generating for at least 2 years it's pretty > damn ballsy to come here and tell everyone how *Python* is doing > something wrong. Maybe the complainant realises that he has no say in this matter and that he has to raise it in this fashion as a last resort. I've only skimmed this thread, but if the complainant is still using 2.4 (like a number of people) he won't have seen such a warning (although maybe he admits seeing it somewhere amongst the pile of "how dare you criticise?!" messages), and now he sees that he's running out of road. What I can say is that it certainly does take balls to see matters from the other guy's perspective instead of calling someone names for pointing something out. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
