Thomas, Like many others I have been going round the same loop for months. I have struggled with most of the Python solutions, including TurboGears and have given up and gone back to ColdFusion. I am not trying to kick of a religious war about the pros and cons of ColdFusion as a scripting langauge, but IMHO, as a development environment (Dreamweaver), it is unbeatable. In one product, "out of the box" I can integrate database access and web design, including AJAX, in one GUI IDE. Ok, the IDE is on Windows, but the servers run on Linux.
This seems to be an aspect of web design that has been totally ignored in the Python community. Developers have been falling over each other to come up with yet another web development framework ( about 15 at the last count!), but they are all a collection of bits and pieces from all over the place. Turbogears is attempting to pull it all together, but that is like trying to hit a moving target. As soon as you get something working they move to a different level of one of the components and it all falls apart. For example, you might try widgets and get them working with Kid Templates. Then you read that they want you to move to Genshi Templates and after wasting hours, you find the small print and discover you need different widgets to work with Genshi. Some may think it is a strength of Python to have so many options, but I think it is a weakness and putting people off using Python for Web development, driving them to products like PHP, Rails or ColdFusion. When I develop a web application, I don't want to have to decide whether to use mod-python, Cherrypy, Django, Pylons... for my server. Then I have to decide whether to access my database with basic SQL or learn the quirky options available with SQLObjects or SQLAlchemy, with or without, Elixir. Finally, I have to decide which of umpteen templating systems to use and hope that it will work with the rest of the components. Am I asking too much to have a Python product "X" which is a fully self-contained web development framework? John B On 6 Oct, 11:44, Thomas Wittek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michele Simionato: > > > At work we are shopping for a Web framework, so I have been looking at > > the available options > > on the current market. > > At least, you missed Turbo Gears :)http://turbogears.org/ > For me, it feels more integrated than Pylons. > > -- > Thomas Wittek > Web:http://gedankenkonstrukt.de/ > Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GPG: 0xF534E231 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
