On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 12:34 -0700, walterbyrd wrote: > On Jul 25, 12:40 pm, Carsten Haese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What exactly could Python learn from PHP? > > Remember, I'm a noob, I'm not trolling.
I know. > When I posted "Python" I meant the Python web-developement world. In > particular, python frameworks, like CherryPy, have requirements that > are not realistic for most shared hosting plans. CherryPy is not a framework. Also, CherryPy's requirements are very minimal. You either need a "vanilla" Apache/mod_python setup (which is no harder to set up than a vanilla Apache/PHP setup), or just Python itself if you use the webserver that is in CherryPy. > Maybe I'm wrong, but I often get the idea that those who develop > python frameworks don't give a thought to the realities of shared > hosting. They seem to think that everybody has complete control over > the server. Things are very different in the PHP universe. Again, CherryPy is not a web programming framework. It is a web server that "publishes" object methods. Also, things are only easy in the PHP world if you only use the modules that the hosting provider pre-installed. I doubt you'll easily find a PHP hosting provider that will allow connections to Informix or Oracle databases. > To use codeignitor as an example, again. On the "why codeignitor" > part of the welcome page you will find: > > --- > CodeIgniter is right for you if... > * You need broad compatibility with standard hosting accounts that run > a variety of PHP versions and configurations. > * You want a framework that requires nearly zero configuration. > * You want a framework that does not require you to use the command > line. > --- > > I don't seem to see Python frameworks using those sorts of selling > points. Posting as a noob, who is struggling to get django configured > on dreamhost, I gotta tell 'ya: those selling points look awfully > attractive. > > The point is: PHP framework makers are very considerate of the > realities of shared hosting. It may look like that to you, but that's not a property of the PHP language. I haven't seen CodeIgniter, but I imagine it's easy for you to set up because it's already installed by the hosting provider, which is due to PHP's popularity. If you could find a provider that can give you an out-of-the-box Django or TG set up, you'd probably find that just as easy. Finding a hosting provider that'll do this is the problem, of course, but that's not because these frameworks are designed to be hard to install. It's just that most providers don't pre-install these frameworks because there isn't enough demand. > Python framework makers don't seem to > give it a thought. Python framework makers have no influence over what web hosting providers do. > Just maybe, that's something that Python could > learn from PHP. What is "that", and what can Python developers do to learn "that"? -- Carsten Haese http://informixdb.sourceforge.net -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
