BTW: I did a search and found the testnotebook example from: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pythoncard/testNotebook.zip?download
and tried it out. There is one error in the widget.py that I have to get around. Changed from: canvas.setFillColor('gray') to: try: canvas.setFillColor('gray') except: pass and then ran it. Works! So, yes, you can do Notebook in Python. I believe what they are saying is that Notebook isn't supported fully (yet) in the resourceeditor. Bill Maxwell wrote: > On 9 Nov 2006 22:48:10 -0800, "John Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Upon closer look, the walkthrough did say: > > > >*************************** > >from PythonCard import model > > > >Change that so it says: > > > >from PythonCard import dialog, model > > > >Save the code. > >*************************** > > > >So, it works. > > > Thanks for looking into it. It sounds like either it has been fixed in > the newer version -- or I didn't do something correctly. It's been a > long time, and I was just going by the notes I made back then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >John Henry wrote: > >> Bill Maxwell wrote: > >> > On 8 Nov 2006 11:49:07 -0800, "John Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > >John Salerno wrote: > >> > >> Dan Lenski wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > So, is there another toolkit I should be looking at? > >> > >> > >> > >> I highly recommend wxPython. It's very mature, full-featured, and > >> > >> portable, and fairly easy to learn as well. I can't really compare it > >> > >> to > >> > >> other toolkits (not having used any of them, except Tkinter), but it's > >> > >> definitely one of the most popular and well-supported ones out there. > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.wxpython.org/ > >> > > > >> > >I highly recommend that you try PythonCard (which sits on top of > >> > >wxPython). You can get productive very very quickly. Take a look at: > >> > > > >> > >http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/walkthrough1.html > >> > > >> > > >> > I took a brief look at PythonCard almost a year ago and got discouraged > >> > by what I found, so I stopped looking at it. I've inserted my notes > >> > from back then, below. Does anybody know if these things have been > >> > fixed in the latest release? > >> > > >> > Bill > >> > > >> > > >> > ===================================================================== > >> > My notes from Fri Dec-23-2005: > >> > > >> > This is a list of gripes I have while trying to learn about PythonCard. > >> > I'm trying to investigate various GUI builders for Python, and > >> > PythonCard looks promising, but a lot of things are getting in the way. > >> > > >> > I installed yesterday, using this installer: > >> > PythonCard-0.8.1.FIXED.win32.exe > >> > > >> > A) The very first example in the tutorial is wrong! > >> > > >> > On this page: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/documentation.html > >> > When you follow this link to try something for the very first time: > >> > > >> > Getting Started in PythonCard by Dan Shafer: > >> > http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/walkthrough1.html > >> > > >> > You quickly see that the minimal.py example doesn't even contain > >> > this line, even though the tutorial refers to it: > >> > > >> > >> I am not sure which one you are referring to but in the > >> PythonCard\samples\minimal, you will find a minimal.py that says: > >> > >> #!/usr/bin/python > >> > >> """ > >> __version__ = "$Revision: 1.8 $" > >> __date__ = "$Date: 2005/12/17 15:20:02 $" > >> """ > >> > >> from PythonCard import model > >> > >> > >> class Minimal(model.Background): > >> def on_menuFileAbout_select(self, event): > >> pass > >> > >> if __name__ == '__main__': > >> app = model.Application(Minimal) > >> app.MainLoop() > >> > >> > >> > >> > def on_menuFileAbout_select(self, event): > >> > > >> > And, of course, if you replace the word "pass" with this, as > >> > instructed: > >> > > >> > result = dialog.alertDialog(self, 'It works!', 'Showing Off') > >> > > >> > it won't run, because the existing "pass" line isn't inside a def > >> > inside of a class. > >> > > >> > >> No, it didn't work because the author forgot to mention that you have > >> to do a: > >> > >> from PythonCard import model, dialog > >> > >> instead of just: > >> > >> from PythonCard import model > >> > >> I just tried it and it works. > >> > >> > > >> > B) Is the Notebook widget really supported? > >> > > >> > In the installed file "changelog.txt" (gets installed as part of > >> > PythonCard installation), it says: > >> > > >> > "added Notebook component, PageBackground, and testNotebook > >> > sample" > >> > > >> > But, the testNotebook sample is nowhere to be found. > >> > > >> > >> I haven't come across a need to use Notebook and so I can not say for > >> sure. Looking at notebook.py, it appears to be just a simple wrapper > >> on top of the wxWindow notebook. I would encourage you to post a > >> message to the mailing list and ask there. > >> > >> > >> > I looked lots of places, including the main SourceForge web site, > >> > and on the wiki, here: > >> > > >> > http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/PythonCard > >> > > >> > Both the main website and the wiki seem way out of date, and the > >> > latest dates I could find on both of them are sometime in 2004. > >> > > >> > >> Yes, sometime around 2004, the website updating stopped. Fortunately, > >> development didn't. There are quite a number of new things since then: > >> new resource editor (now call layout Editor, standalone exe creator, > >> and so forth). I even learn that a new sizer handler is in the work. > >> > >> Not saying that there are 10 programmers working 7/24 on it. It *is* > >> an Open Source project nevertheless. Nobody gets paid for doing it. > >> But there are development work going on. > >> > >> > >> > Finally, by following the mailing list archive link on the main > >> > website, I managed to find a reference to the notebook component on the > >> > ASPN site, where some guy named Brian wonders about the same thing as > >> > me, concerning the availability of the notebook component: > >> > > >> > http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/pythoncard/2536825 > >> > > >> > and, that message led me here: > >> > > >> > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pythoncard/1060 > >> > > >> > where Kevin Altis admits that he forgot to include it in the 0.8.1 > >> > release! At least he provides a way to download it separately. But, > >> > gheesh, this is pretty poor for a new user. I was interested in using > >> > the notebook component right away, because I looked at the wxGlade > >> > tutorial before looking at PythonPage, and they use the notebook > >> > component in their example (and I decided I really want to use the > >> > component). > >> > > >> > To add insult to injury, after you download the zip file with the > >> > testNotebook stuff, the readme file says this: > >> > > >> > "Until we have a Notebook integrated into some of the other > >> > samples or tools this will serve as a basic test app, but I don't expect > >> > to include it in releases." > >> > > >> > >> > >> As with all Open Source projects, your mileage differs. PythonCard > >> does what *I* need to get done - and allowed me to get it done in a > >> *hurry*. May be you really need Notebook and may be it's true that > >> Notebook really doesn't work, I don't know. But if you managed to get > >> it working, write it up and get it included. That's what Open Source > >> Projects are all about. > >> > >> > >> > C) Are the websites being maintained? > >> > >> > >> It appears that the maintainer of the web site stopped updating it > >> since late 2004. I don't know why. May be he's been busy. May be he > >> got mad. I don't know. All I know is that I have been very > >> productive with what I need to get done (and earned a happy living with > >> the code I created) and I am very grateful to the people that worked on > >> it - past and present. > >> > >> I am not a "professional programmer" and so I probably can't contribute > >> to the development effort itself. However, I've gotten pretty good in > >> using most of the package (other then Notebook, I admit). So, if you > >> have any specific questions, please post it to the PythonCard list and > >> I'll try to help if I can. > >> > >> Cheers. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list