On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:34:47 -0500, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Brendan Kohler wrote: > >> "mike kreiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>Are there any plans for developing a standard IDE for python that's >>>included with the python installation? I found information about other >>>IDE's elsewhere online, but couldn't even find any mention of this >>>possibility. >>> >>>I'm still relatively new to Python--I switched over from VB--and I >>>found it difficult to learn python without an IDE. Most experienced >>>programmers I know started out using Emacs or another text editor, and >>>are very happy with that; however, I found it difficult to put all the >>>pieces (like GUI, etc.) together myself. i tried many of the free IDEs, >>>but was dissatisfied (VS is tough to beat in my opinion, much better >>>than the average m$ application *plz don't flame*). although it'd be a >>>difficult undertaking, i think an IDE would be a tremendous boost for >>>python in terms of gaining support in education and the business >>>community. has anyone else discussed this? does anyone know the BDFL's >>>stance? thanks. >>> >>>~mike >>> >> >> >> That would be something called IDLE, which is included with python already. >> >> >With respect it wouldn't, since IDLE doesn;t include a GUI builder. I >think Mike's cri-de-couer is for a tool that makes it as easy as Visual >Studio to put a GUI-based application together. > >To which I can only respond that it's obvious Microsoft haven't wasted >ALL the money they've spent on developemnt. VS *is* a tough act to beat, >though certainly not impossible. IMO the GUI-building part was beaten before it even seriously existed, by Delphi. I suspect that remains true, even though M$ enticed (.5 mega$ signing bonus rumored) then-Borland's Delphi guru Anders Hejlsberg to work for them. I guess it would have taken a Stallman to refuse ;-) The machine-language debug windows you can get into with VS _are_ very nice if you need to get down to that. They are better than what Delphi used to have IIRC (at some version you had to throw a secret switch to turn on low level debugging, IIRC). But for GUI building I think Delphi is the hard act to follow, with it's visual component libraries that you and third parties can enhance. The project management stuff seemed to me comparable. I think there are Delphi/python projects, but I haven't pursued them. > > I wish there *were* something equivalent. If Jim Hugunin can persuade >Microsoft to fully support Python in Visula Studio .NET they'd have at >least one more customer. MSVS is very seductive. But so is open source independence ;-) Regards, Bengt Richter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
