On 11/1/2017 3:06 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 11/1/2017 1:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 1 November 2017 at 08:50, Terry Reedy <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In April 2016, after posting the idea to pydev list and getting 'go
ahead's from Nick Coughlin and someone else, with no negatives, I
approved Upendra Kumar's GSOC proposal to write a pip gui. This was
https://bugs.python.org/issue27051
<https://bugs.python.org/issue27051>. On June 20, Ned Deily and
Nick Coughlin vetoed adding a pip gui anywhere in the stdlib since
it depended on something not in the stdlib, and perhaps for other
reasons I don't fully understand.
Clarifying the objection here (since the linked issue is a fairly long
one): what I'm against is tightly coupling the pip-gui development &
release process to the CPython development & release process when we
don't have any compelling reason to do so.
Thank you for clarifying. This is a reason that I did not understand ;-).
Given an independently released pip-gui on PyPI (with its own version
numbering and release cadence), then I'd be +1 on bundling that as an
optional IDLE addon, ensurepip style.
I already agree in my second response on this thread that pip gui should
be on pypi.
A pip gui would be a pip add-on, not an IDLE add-on, just as turtledemo
is a turtle add-on even though one can invoke it from the IDLE menu --
as long as turtle and turtledemo are installed.
Issue 27051, write pip gui, is properly a separate issue from
https://bugs.python.org/issue23551, start a pip gui, if and when
available, from IDLE menu. I am against 'tightly coupling' something to
IDLE when there is 'no compelling reason to do so'.
When pip installs a package into site_packages, does it at any point run
package-specific installation code? setup.py? More specifically, can
pip install an IDLE extension. If so, I think installing pipgui should
add 'x_pipgui.py' to idlelib, if it exists, and add a section to
idlelib/config-extension.def. Using the existing extension mechanism
would be an alternative to patching IDLE to conditionally add pipgui to
some menu.
--
Terry Jan Reedy
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