R. David Murray added the comment:

It's not obvious from your discussion, Nick, *why* venv won't use an upgraded 
system pip if it has been manually upgraded.  There's no need for internet 
access in that case (which is the argument for using the bundled pip when 
running ensurepip for the first time).  For that matter, there's no obvious 
relationship between venv and ensurepip, other than ensurepip making sure there 
is at least one version of pip for venv to use.

So I agree with the OP that this behavior is quite surprising.  As well as 
annoying.  Perhaps there is a good reason for it that I'm not seeing?

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