Hmm, complicating things is that Rollbar doesn’t work when over EXCVIEW, since 
it tries to catch the exception which EXCVIEW swallows.

Might try to change that behavior and submit a PR, since it seems it’d be most 
desirable to have Rollbar as far up the stack as possible.

— Theron



> On Apr 28, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Bert JW Regeer <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Here is the motivation for that:
> 
> https://github.com/Pylons/pyramid_tm/pull/55 
> <https://github.com/Pylons/pyramid_tm/pull/55>
> 
> When Pyramid 1.9 drops, you’ll want to have the following:
> 
> rollbar -> pyramid_retry -> pyramid_tm -> EXC_VIEW -> your_app
> 
> Bert
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 12:25, Theron Luhn <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for pointing me to that SQLAlchemy cookie cutter, it was very 
>> helpful.  I was able to get something up and working with pyramid_tm and 
>> zope.sqlalchemy.
>> 
>> Do you know the motivation for pyramid_tm to be above EXC_VIEW by default?  
>> I moved it below EXC_VIEW since I wanted commit errors to be handled by the 
>> exception views.  Is there any reason why I shouldn’t do this?
>> 
>> — Theron
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 12:12 AM, Bert JW Regeer <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I fired a little too soon…
>>> 
>>> You might want to look at the current state of the art in our sqlalchemy 
>>> cookie cutter:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/Pylons/pyramid-cookiecutter-alchemy 
>>> <https://github.com/Pylons/pyramid-cookiecutter-alchemy>
>>> 
>>> Request finalized callbacks are explicitly outside of tweens, and outside 
>>> of any encapsulation.
>>> 
>>> You’ll want to look at pyramid_tm or build a tween yourself that handles 
>>> things in a similar fashion.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 00:20, Theron Luhn <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a pretty standard setup of Pyramid and SQLAlchemy, based off 
>>>> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/database/sqlalchemy.html
>>>>  
>>>> <http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/database/sqlalchemy.html>
>>>> 
>>>> However, this has a problem:  The `cleanup` callback executes *after* the 
>>>> tween has returned.  I use tweens for both error logging (Rollbar) and 
>>>> request logging (output via python-fluent-loggerd).  This means that if 
>>>> the commit and associated flush fail, neither my request logger nor error 
>>>> logging catch it.
>>>> 
>>>> For example, if my tween looked like this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> class Tween:
>>>>     def __init__(self, handler, register):
>>>>         self.handler = handler
>>>> 
>>>>     def __call__(self, request):
>>>>         start = time()
>>>>         response = self.handler(request)
>>>>         duration = time() - start
>>>>         log(duration, response.status_code)  # This shows a success
>>>>         return response  # session.commit() fails sometime after this
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The log call would report an HTTP 200, even the end result may be a HTTP 
>>>> 500 due to a failure in session.commt()
>>>> 
>>>> The obvious solution is to move logging to the WSGI middleware layer, but 
>>>> then I lose all the Pyramid-specific details, which I am loath to do.  I 
>>>> could also manually add a try/except to handle errors in the cleanup and 
>>>> report to Rollbar, but that still means my request logs show a success.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way I can force SQLAlchemy to commit/rollback (or at least 
>>>> flush) before the passing the baton back to the tweens?
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