Hi, this looks very nice, but I am not able to get it running - the instructions in the 'get started' section of the website do not get me started, unfortunately.
First, I get error: invalid command 'development' remembering several other pyramid tutorials I tried to use python setup.py develop this seems to work, following the instructions I do pcreate -t ringo foo I then cd into foo, not foobar (this seems to be wrong in the instructions). However, there is no foo-admin. Hinted by the django similarity of your approach and from looking into ~/.pyenv/versions/2.7.9/bin I got the idea this should be ringo-admin but this gives me an error (see full traceback below): ImportError: /home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/lxml/etree.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeLatin1 Argh, an unicode error, no, please not that kind of problems... I am giving up here for today. I think I have to write about my experiences with several other pyramid based projects here. I have had similar problems with kotti and ptah in the recent past. I hope writing about it here will not be seen as ranting, but may give you an insight about the newcomer perspective. I looked at pyramid and was extremely satisfied, this really looks like the best way to build websites (for me) after some years of experience with several other (non-python) frameworks. I am really deeply impressed about the approaches taken with pyramid and the extensive documentation, everything I see sets a really very high quality standard. However, after some playing around of course I came to the point of not wanting to reinvent all the wheels, not only because I am a lazy dog, but because of the fear of doing things wrong. Especially all things security, like permissions, user signup and forms I really would like to build on something battletested, so I was starting to look into the several things that are out there and build up on pyramid, like kotti and ptah, and now ringo. The most significant experiences with these have been that I was not able to get them running. What is frustrating: I read a little bit into the sources, but I was not able to solve the problems. And what was even more frustrating was the knowledge, that this all is not some deeply involved hardcore hacker stuff that I am not understanding, it is all packaging and version isolation problems on the surface, so I feel like some little thing is keeping me away from usig all that great stuff because, of course, I can not build a real website with anything that throws errors I can not solve. So after reading lots of pyramid docs, studying sqlalchemy and several form libraries and trying to find the best way to handle user registrations and password issues I am now hitting the wall with "stupid little things" that all have to do with the setup process and the python environment. Yes, I know, I have to study every detail the python setup end deployment environment and understand the effects it produces in different python versions or what it means to use pyenv vs. vritualenvs and how this could hit me on setting up different webserver environments - I still did not do it, as it looked like "some periphal knowledge about the setup process that will not be so problematic" - it turnes out that it is the main problem I have now and I feel like I can not use all these great tools at my hands because of not knowing about this basic setup things. Ok, I know this is all my fault not studying all the details about the python setup process (BORING!) - but to make it a little bit more constructive I would like to ask all you great developers out there: please test your setup instructions, especially the ones on page one, manually and test them in a "fresh" python environment, test them with pyenv and several python versions, test them on a stock debian and ubuntu with system python, and please always link to the relevant knowledge about the setup process - please avoid magic that does not work. BTW unfortunately the wild history of python packaging leads to many irrelevant and misleading information on the web, so it is totally ok to link to the really needed information. I am now trying to dig into http://pythonhosted.org//setuptools/setuptools.html to better understand all that problems, but this is a real torture. I would rather just like to use this stuff and have it working, sigh... Thanks for your attention, Tam [1] Full traceback of ringo-admin: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/xxx/.pyenv/versions/2.7.9/bin/ringo-admin", line 9, in <module> load_entry_point('ringo==0.17.0', 'console_scripts', 'ringo-admin')() File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/scripts/admin.py", line 221, in main args.func(args) File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/scripts/db.py", line 140, in handle_db_init_command handle_db_upgrade_command(args) File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/scripts/db.py", line 144, in handle_db_upgrade_command cfg = get_alembic_config(args) File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/scripts/db.py", line 132, in get_alembic_config app_config = get_appsettings(args.config) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pyramid/paster.py", line 53, in get_appsettings global_conf=options) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 261, in appconfig global_conf=global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 296, in loadcontext global_conf=global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 320, in _loadconfig return loader.get_context(object_type, name, global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 454, in get_context section) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 476, in _context_from_use object_type, name=use, global_conf=global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 406, in get_context global_conf=global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 296, in loadcontext global_conf=global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 328, in _loadegg return loader.get_context(object_type, name, global_conf) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 620, in get_context object_type, name=name) File "/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py", line 646, in find_egg_entry_point possible.append((entry.load(), protocol, entry.name)) File "build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/pkg_resources.py", line 2184, in load ['__name__']) File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/foo/foo/__init__.py", line 6, in <module> from ringo.config import setup_modules File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/config.py", line 14, in <module> from ringo.views.base import ( File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/views/base/__init__.py", line 28, in <module> from ringo.views.base.print_ import ( File "/home/xxx/Dev/Python/pyramid-ringo/ringo-hg/ringo/views/base/print_.py", line 3, in <module> from py3o.template import Template File "build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/py3o/template/__init__.py", line 6, in <module> File "build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/py3o/template/main.py", line 6, in <module> ImportError: /home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/lxml/etree.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeLatin1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. 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